Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
I agree it's appalling. That's the (relatively) unregulated free market for you. Probably safer to go straight to your neighbourhood drug dealer!
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Evidence for that? Or do you mean the Lockdown Sceptics/Great Barrington Few?
It is much reduced so far because anti-COVID measures are effective against flu as well. Just as well as getting the two together is not good news (even for the under 80s who appear to count for something in your mind).
That is a constant for any statistic measured by calendar year, like excess deaths per calendar year.
Misterdog
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Indeed, though those marketing junk food will argue that there is no harm in it.
Sunny Delight anyone ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3257820.stm
So who are the quacks ?
Procter and Gamble or Dr Mercola.
It's your choice, make up your own mind, but look beyond the £££££££££.
Notters
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JD Rockerfella and his taking over the medical institutes mid 1900's is to blame for what's bad about big pharma and the total elimination of 1000s of years of herbal medicine. I'm not saying the profession is all bad. There's been a massive over reliance on antibiotics, tablets in general in the West and vaccines, well that's another stifled debate. In 2016 the WHO changed the definition of a vaccine. This C19 vaccine is nothing resembling what the pre 2016 definition was. It is a RNA therapeutic that's no more adept at controlling the spread of the virus than Uri Gueller. It only controls symptoms, that's is it, but if you look at the listed side effects of the vaccine they are the exact same as the virus itself! What a con job if ever there was one and GOD knows the long term effects. I'm beginning to wonder if the vaccine was responsible for all the 10s of 1000s of the registered dead being able to rise up and vote in America? If you speak out against the MSM narrative you are a conspiracy theorist. I've been called a murderer by a women at my chemist for not wearing a mask, I'm exempt by the way. People are being deceived and divided in Europe and America for reasons too scary to think about. All I know is that the men in this country are weak and spineless and letting all fabric of society be destroyed with barely a whimper. Follow the science my a#$e
Misterdog
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Sorry mate it's obviously a bit above your pay grade.
As stated I live in the S.E that has a population density that many on here would find incomprehensible.
The actual neighbourhood I live in has a large elderly population and there is a large cemetery with crematorium. You can judge how bad the flu season or cold snap has been by the number of ambulances and hearses in the area and I have seen far worse.
I speak to people all day long and have been at work throughout, not meeting anyone who has it or that knows anyone that's had it.
Grand daughter number two has missed months of school though and since the schools reopened been sent home to isolate three times because someone in her year or tutor group or class has tested positive oddly no actual sick people.
Grand daughter number one lives with us she works in a dementia care home some of the residents get ill some get tested as positive for C19 they go to hospital and get sent back guess what the home still has lots of residents even the old and infirm don't all die of it.
Misterdog
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Talking of junk food, what does this cause OH the Obesity crisis (and dozens of other problems) which is one of the fastest ways to increase your chance of death from Covid.
I think that may depend in large part on what you say and how you say it and how logical and evidenced it is.
billw
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Well people have a choice in what they eat, nobody's pretending junk food is good for you. Families on lower incomes tend to eat cheaper foods, namely processed mush and the bits of an animal that wouldn't look good on their own.
Factor in laziness, people being time-pressured, or spending their money on other stuff whether that be heating bills or cigarettes, all contribute towards problems with diet.
Maybe the good doctor can sell anti-obesity herbs?
billw
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Arguing against conspiracy theorists is self-defeating. If you don't believe them you just become part of the problem they're fighting against so they'll believe you even less and become more paranoid themselves.
Where do you get this garbage? Youtube? Facebook?
Like the US the UK has a high proportion of people who are one or more of the following, fat, unfit, poor diet. Add on the conditions that often come with being fat, infit, poor diet and you have someone who is going to be likely to suffer badly if they catch covid. Ask any of the frontline nhs staff you know what their patients have most in common when treating for covid , it’ll be excess weight. This is often omitted in the media / reports instead referring to underlying conditions diabetes, heart disease, respiratory issues, which often arise in those with excess weight.
The UK is reaping the crop it has sown by not dealing with excess weight and by political correctness / any weight is a healthy weight/ fat shaming making the issues something that can’t be discussed.
Yes there are the young and fit that have passed away through covid but they are the statistical outliers and should not be drawn into the debate.
For the UK covid is only half the problem, it would be nice to think that Covid will spark debate and action, but the “fat vote” now numbers so many that politicians are more likely to ignore the issue.
My local NHS trust is offering weight watcher vouchers to its larger staff.
The UK is reaping the crop it has sown by not dealing with excess weight and by political correctness / any weight is a healthy weight/ fat shaming making the issues something that can’t be discussed.
Yes there are the young and fit that have passed away through covid but they are the statistical outliers and should not be drawn into the debate.
For the UK covid is only half the problem, it would be nice to think that Covid will spark debate and action, but the “fat vote” now numbers so many that politicians are more likely to ignore the issue.
My local NHS trust is offering weight watcher vouchers to its larger staff.
billw
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Isn;t that going to be shot down as fat shaming?
Flartybarty
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I have rarely read such drivel. You might change your attitude if you were in ICU about to peg it. I am aware that 'flu also kills people but the difference is in the time it takes to develop symptoms and I have so far not heard of the hospitals being overwhelmed with 'flu patients. Furthermore, we have vaccines against 'flu which we have only just developed to deal with Covid.
The main thing about the present pandemic is the total incompetentce of the givernment and we have just the man in charge at the moment (how did any sane person vole for Bojo) to deal with it. The vaccine, if it is effective, will reduce the infection but will not eradicate it, especially since many people don't want to be inoculated. Bubonic Plague is still with us and still kills people - thankfully not in Europe. But the same will happen with Covid-19 - it promises to always be here , changing slightly every year.
The rest of your article is academic nonsense. governments are not in the business of using pandemics to create autocracies - especially since we've had one for decades.
The main thing about the present pandemic is the total incompetentce of the givernment and we have just the man in charge at the moment (how did any sane person vole for Bojo) to deal with it. The vaccine, if it is effective, will reduce the infection but will not eradicate it, especially since many people don't want to be inoculated. Bubonic Plague is still with us and still kills people - thankfully not in Europe. But the same will happen with Covid-19 - it promises to always be here , changing slightly every year.
The rest of your article is academic nonsense. governments are not in the business of using pandemics to create autocracies - especially since we've had one for decades.
Chaps, keep it civil please... attack ideas, not people
Misterdog
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Was Sunny delight promoted and advertised as junk food ?
You might think government and the health service would point out how bad it is for you.
Smoking used to be presented as non health threatening, big tobacco spent millions on promoting it and lobbying government....
Maybe when our population is as obese as in the US, government might intervene.
Though government is torn between an economy that makes money and the health of the population, as in the current pandemic.
So I'll stick to Dr Mercola to present the other side of the story and make my own mind up.
In order to take the anecdotal evidence of Tom K as to his subjective assessment of the volume of traffic in and out of his local crematorium as persuasive evidence that the numbers produced by the Office for National Statistics are wrong, we have to assume that the whole Death Certificate/Death Register system is either suffering a one-off chronic accidental malfunction coincidentally in time with a pandemic (starting with thousands of doctors), or that an immense number of public servants are in on a mass conspiracy to lie about deaths caused by COVID for unexplained reasons and with very tight operational security and no defectors.
Alternatively, Tom K's subjective assessment as to the volume of traffic in and out of his one crematorium is either a statistical outlier in his corner of Kent or just inaccurate and swayed by his priors.
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