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billw
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The ASA should have dealt with that.
As for the government and health service, well asking them to point out that SD had lots of sugar in would be the same as pointing out that polo mints have a lot of sugar, or that sugar is actually quite sugary when you look at it. Should they have government campaigns?
My annoyance is that people see fat as a bad component in a diet, when really it's the glut of refined carbs that we eat that are a bigger problem - you know, the ones that erm...convert into fat. Eating fat is fine as long as calories in is less or equal to calories burned on average. Yes the same applies to refined carbs, but people don't see carbs as the problem because nobody goes round saying "oh wow look how carb that man is!"
Please explain your understanding of how the mRNA vaccines work.
I am genuinely curious as to where you are getting your information from - it is incredible.
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Depends if the politically correct brigade decides to get involved, sensibly speaking the nhs is more than aware of the negative consequences of excess weight, they are only offering the vouchers there is no compulsion , so bopefully it’ll be seen as offering a helping hand to those that want it.
When i had my nhs checkup at 50 it was more than i could do not to laugh when i. Was told by the nurse ( who closely resembled two spacehoppers glued together) that it would be beneficial if i lost 2-3kg. (To bring my BMI under 25). Otherwise they’d advise i took statins. ( at the time i was a commercial diver and of above fitness for my age). Tick box culture at its best, but i lost the weight and went back 3 weeks later to be reweighed and have the records amended, by another obese nurse.
My local hospital had a nurse die from covid, in the papers reported as the tragic death of a dedicated 35 year old mother of 3 with no underlying health conditions the story had her picture ( which was certainly not one of a 35 year old) but ask her colleagues and she was a lovely lady rather larger than a small house. So many people having their lives curtailed or future health further hampered by long covid purely as a result of excess weight is a massive failure of societies attitude and our health policies.
I had the same years ago. I was 14st, fighting fit, not carrying much fat when I saw a specialist who told me I shouldn't be 11st and sent me to a dietician. To her credit she said there was no way on this earth was I meant to be under 11st and to aim for 13st. She wasn't an inspiration, though, she was about 13st and 5'.
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The mRNA vaccine does not use the virus it uses a protein fragment in form of an mRNA trigger that is supposedly associated with a surface protein of the caronavirus.
WHO 2016 Efficacy of a vaccine paper I quote
" Vaccine Efficacy is most commonly a measure of the proportionate reduction in disease attack rate (AR) between the control rate of those who did not receive the vaccination of the infectious disease under study (ARU) and the vaccinated (ARV) group(s). Vaccine efficacy can be calculate BT the relative risk (RR) of the disease among the vaccinated group as (ARU-ARV/ARU) *100 and (1-RR)*100. This estimate may be referred to as absolute vaccine efficacy.
www.who.int./biologicals/experts_committee/clinical_changes_ik_final.PDF
"Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission", Zak said, "because in order to do that would require to swab people twice a week for very long periods and that becomes operationally untenable".
Tal Zak's, chief operations officer at Modern. www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037
Quite clear to me
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Yorkieguy
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A side effect of this thread is that the law of unintended consequences has come into play to keep us all safe and out of harm's way - I guess it could be termed 'care in the community'. While we're sat pecking away at the keyboard & squinting at the monitor, we're not exposed to C-19. No need to wear a mask, we're full socially-distanced and it's warm and dry. Don't even need to wear my Trend air-shield helmet - not making any shavings or dust. A sort of self-induced 'lockdown' by default.
Tier 4? Bring it on - we must already be on Tier 10! Chris Witty would be enthralled - 'Next Slide Please'...
Tier 4? Bring it on - we must already be on Tier 10! Chris Witty would be enthralled - 'Next Slide Please'...
When this c19 came about it scared me to death. I got an infection in my leg that turned into a fever and I thought I was dying. If I could of seen a Dr I wouldn't of become so Ill as antibiotics would of cleared it up. That's an unintended consequence of the virus and response. I'm lucky but god knows how many others were in a similar position who were not so lucky.
It is good that we are able to discus this little/big issue. Boris is dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't. In an ideal situation we would be given guide lines and they would trust us to take responsibility for our own actions. But unfortunately there are those who don't, and they f#*k it up for all of us. I have not seen my grand children since last Easter and now don't know when I can. Then you have those who set the rules that don't follow them, Sturgeon was at a party with no mask, she will not resign unlike those she made to. At least BJ follows his rules.
At the end of the day, there is something killing people and we each need to take responsibility for ourselves and if you survive then you are the luckly one.
Merry Christmas everyone and those that survive hear from you next year.
P.S. the earth is not flat.
Oh that's alright then. My mother died on the 13th, she was 79 so not VERY old. Just another statistic.
And for those not aware of increased death rates, the local crematorium is backed up until mid January and all slots are being used.
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all the slots are being used .................. unfortunate choice of wording, there.
Misterdog
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They did, in the form of the sugar tax, which has pushed manufacturers to reduce sugar content.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-43659124
Carbs are actually converted into sugars.
Or in excess converted to fat . Though years of excess insulin production leads to Diabetes.
Which brings us back to another source of increased risk of Covid death.
For decades we have been led to believe that carbs are good and that Cholesterol is the evil enemy.
How many know that 70% of the Cholesterol in your body is actually manufactured by your own liver ?
Why would your body manufacture a 'poison'?
It was this particular subject that started me reading Dr Mercola over 10 years ago.
Because my renal consultants prescribed me an overdose of Statins after I developed Membranous Glomerulonephritis.
Dr Mercola's introduction into the Cholesterol/Statin pathways led to more research finally leading me to a paper from the NHS saying that taking Ciclosporin amplifies the effect of Statins 10 fold !!. I was taking both.
To find that paper was the result of several days research.
Though as some have shown earlier the first hit on Google for Dr Mercola denounces him as a quack.
I suspect these people would also accept the words of a renal consultant as gospel.
Interesting that these pharmaceutical companies earning trillions are more interested in denouncing Dr Mercola to protect their profits, than they are making health care professionals aware of dangers from their products.
Anyone wishing to know the effects of too little Cholesterol in the body ? Research is free though time consuming.
Woody2Shoes
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Wibble....
Woody2Shoes
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Spacehoppers glued together!! - my wife's wondering why I've just spluttered my coffee across the table....
It's what the undertaker called them.
Kind of. The mRNA is an instruction set, it triggers some of your own cells to produce the C-19 spike protein which the virus uses to bind to another protein enzyme (ACE2) which is on the outside of some human cells.
With real virus, once the spike binds to the ACE2 receptor, a second part of the spike protein alters the cell membrane to alter it so the virus can get into the cell, where the RNA in the core of the virus effectively takes control of the cell to turn it into a factory for making more copies of the virus.
With the vaccine, some cells will execute the mRNA instruction set and make copies of just the spike protein instead of the whole virus (the virus's RNA payload isn't part of the mRNA instruction set at all). The immune system (wondrous marvel of nature) then recognises the spike protein as foreign and generates antibodies which bind to the spike protein (with the antibody stuck on to the spike that neutralises its ability to bind to the ACE2 receptor, so it can no longer get into cells) and also learns to kill cells that are making copies of spike protein (which would later include cells making the whole virus in the event of a real infection).
The Oxford one uses an older technique which is much the same but instead of encapsulating and injecting mRNA directly, it delivers the mRNA as a modified payload in a chimpanzee virus which has been deactivated so it cannot reproduce.
I am not sure what you are getting at here. No vaccine or immunity can stop infection. The efficacy of immunity (whether originally naturally acquired or stimulated by a vaccine) is about whether the infection turns into a disease. The WHO quote is about the disease state. On the other hand, the Moderna COO is talking about whether they are able to prove that the body's immunity can act fast enough in suppressing an infection progressing to a disease state so as to stop the virus from replicating and transmitting during the pre-symptomatic phase of an infection. There is nothing at all inconsistent between those two things.
Misterdog
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Nail on the head.
Our immune system is what has protected us for centuries, and allowed us to become the dominant species on this planet.
It is our most effective defence against Covid.
Should we not concentrate more effort into optimising it ?
(Though an argument could be made for saying that is what a vaccine does.) The problem is that creating a new drug can generate billions, whereas testing everyone's Vit C, D levels has no profit.
We have had a vaccine against the flu since the 1940's yet we have never conquered it.
In 2020 some > 20,000 died in this country from it, though that was under a Labour government so many prefer not to think about it.
People think that because we can land men on the moon and change a 0 into a 1 that science should be able to conquer something as 'simple' as a virus.
My condolences.
The point I was making was the change of vaccine definition in 2016 as per the post you questioned!
The 2 quotes clearly and unequivocally prove the point.
The vaccine for covid 19 is basically a treatment that only reduces symptoms. It does nothing, zip,jingle bells in stopping transmission therefore is not much different to hydroxychloriquine and zinc, remdizivir, vit c,d et all. Only it could be far more dangerous and an absolute fortune to the people.
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