Mouldings by hand.

[Adam W.]

Here's the selection of scraper blades that were used for the round sections and the web of the moulding. These negate the use of all of the hollow and round planes except for the round used on the cavetto.

Made from sawplate from a rusty old disposable demolition saw, which had seen better days and lots of action.

I need to make two handed holders with rudimentary depth stops so to gauge for a consistent depth along the length of the moulding.

And here's one of the other V&A mouldings from the same window, loads of tool marks on the top section.

 

[HOJ]

@AdamW, I took a closer picture of the profiles on the window head section, the moulding's are very cleanly cut and applied, and don't show any tooling witness marks, they look more machine made to me.



Perhaps they are much later additions to the house after all, but to be "machined" would date them to late 19th century, I would have thought, it seem's also that all the rot was on what would have been sapwood in the sections of Oak.

Following your post's closely, trying to work out and consider my options!

 

[Adam W.]

By the late 17th century a full set of hollow and round planes was commercially available, so the mouldings would have become crisper, and I think that's the inside face which is in really good condition and it may also have been sanded a few times when it was painted.

It's a nice looking window, but I don't think it's 19th century.

 

[HOJ]

I could probable buy a stack of planes on the basis of the price I quoted for tooling to make these profiles, but wouldn't know where to look to find any that match, any suggestions?

Couple more pictures:

This was all that was left of one of the mullions

Nice scribed joint in the other piece of mullion to the head.

 

[Adam W.]

My first stop would be Norwich, because of the planemaker Griffiths Norwich .

 

[HOJ]

planemaker Griffiths Norwich

Go past the site they were on regularly but no one is home now.

The other shop, in Luton, is starting to look far more favorable!

 

[Adam W.]

In that photo of the mullion, is the mullion all one piece or are there pieces nailed to it ?

 

[HOJ]

I have looked very closely at all the profiles they are all in the solid, that nail in the mullion is just a random one, probably used to fixed some sort of cover to the inside when it was failing, this window is from the attic, so it may have been boarded over.

 

[Adam W.]

Sub-contract the mouldings out or GAMI and assemble the window yourself.

 

[whereistheceilidh]

Here's the selection of scraper blades that were used for the round sections and the web of the moulding. These negate the use of all of the hollow and round planes except for the round used on the cavetto.

Made from sawplate from a rusty old disposable demolition saw, which had seen better days and lots of action.

I need to make two handed holders with rudimentary depth stops so to gauge for a consistent depth along the length of the moulding.

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And here's one of the other V&A mouldings from the same window, loads of tool marks on the top section.

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I appreciate where you are going with this one Adam.....but would the craftsmen of the 14/15th century have access to the metal or cutters/grinders to easily make & sharpen such scrapers?

 

[deema]

I showed my father this thread, who joined the family business and with his father ran a large joinery shop doing everything from the mills to shop fitting. They were both master joiners. He said that for anything a little unusual they would just make a set of planes up if it wasn’t practical on the spindle. The local blacksmith would make them a blade, but they had blank blades in stock in various widths. It wasn’t unusual to make a plane or two for a specific job if the client was happy to pay for the work.

I was only a small boy when they closed the shop in the 70’s after the mills all closed. They had a huge, and mean huge bonfire of all the bespoke wooden planes and weighed in all the cutters that came out of them.

 

[Adam W.]

I appreciate where you are going with this one Adam.....but would the craftsmen of the 14/15th century have access to the metal or cutters/grinders to easily make & sharpen such scrapers?

Well, they did have the ability to harden, shape and laminate iron and steel for carpentry tools and make files, so why not ?

I'll post some of the 13th century beam mouldings I'm looking at later today, so you can judge for yourself how complex things were at that time.

But it's a good question.

 

[Adam W.]

Getting a peeling feeling.

A 15th century WIP from Hewett.

 

[Adam W.]

One from Hewett - English Historic Carpentry - a wall plate from High Roding in Essex c.1400. In green oak 6"x5"x4'

Lots of heavy gouge work.

I'll leave it a while to dry off a bit before finishing it.

 

[Adam W.]

Currently working on this one from 1250-1330, part of a truss a beam from the guard room at Lambeth Palace.

Manky Oak 8"x 5"x 4'

 

[paulrbarnard]

Currently working on this one from 1250-1330, part of a truss a beam from the guard room at Lambeth Palace.

Manky Oak 8"x 5"x 4'


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Wow that under cut looks very tricky. Was that just gouges?

 

[Adam W.]

Can't say, trade secret.

But yes, kind of. All done by hand with very few tools.

 

[paulrbarnard]

Can't say, trade secret.

dam those protectionist guilds.

 

[Adam W.]

I know, if I told you, I'd have to kill you.

What it looks like in the wild......

My sketch, so there's more to come and a bit more undercutting in the flutey bits.

 

[Adam W.]

Except for a bit of a tidy up, that's about it for this one. I blew the end of the rhs wing off, so I'll chop the end off later.

Hardcore carpenters in the 13th century, I'm pooped!