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Yet having only one leader too elect is fine, you are really rubbing up too each other today
I think you've misinterpreted Robin's post, then brought up a whataboutary argument re the EU, then deflected from another answer with the same whataboutary.

But for what it's worth; the putting forward of a single candidate (who then somehow still nearly managed to loose) is rather comical.
 

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They risk losing their job if the media the people read tells them they should be annoyed. That's the killer issue.

I get a variety of media links pop up on my phone, and looking through the headlines from, say, The Express, someone who got their world view only from that source would be basically living in a parallel universe.
I do agree that media ownership needs to be looked at but it’s a lot harder to do than talk about on the internet. I’d prefer to see the likes of Murdoch out of UK media ownership. However there are plenty of people who find the Guardian and BBC biased and equally toxic so good luck with that one.
 

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Yet having only one leader too elect is fine, you are really rubbing up too each other today
No.

The European Parliament, European Commission and European Council have their own issues with lack of accountability and lack of democracy.

My pointing out limitations of our democracy does not mean I accept the EU with all its flaws. Im not a fan of the EU system.


you are using the footballerification argument: if you arent in the red team, you must be in the blue.
 

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No.

The European Parliament, European Commission and European Council have their own issues with lack of accountability and lack of democracy.

My pointing out limitations of our democracy does not mean I accept the EU with all its flaws. Im not a fan of the EU system.


you are using the footballerification argument: if you arent in the red team, you must be in the blue.
Great reply, I have to completely agree and I too have questioned the binary ness of this thread. Thank you robin
 

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But the current government in this government have taken self interest to a massive new level.
This could never happen under Labour of course.

In the UK, Blair appears not to be valued for his political legacy — his service to the UK his and international statesmanship — but rather as one of a new breed of self-serving politicians, who literally spun a web of power, duped the public on the grounds for going to war, blindly supported of George W. Bush, left a party in turmoil, and then attained fabulous wealth and faux-celebrity lifestyle after leaving office.
Written in 2010.

I can already see the counter argument being written 'Tony Blair wasn't a true socialist'
 

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Noel will purge this thread of covid related posts as they're off topic.

The actual situation with these numbers is much more insidious and misleading. My (doctor) wife has just written a piece on this in answer to a question from a family member, and it's eye-watering to read. I don't know if there is a suitable thread on the forum, but if she's OK with it I could PM you a copy?
I’d be interested to see that sploo if possible. From the coal face as such
 

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Never understand why some, in defending Party A, say well Party B would be worse when both parties are as useless as each other.
Bit like buying a car that breaks down on a weekly basis and the garage saying "well, good thing you didn't buy a Trabant, they break down on a daily basis". Does that reassure you as you leave the garage with a happy smile on your face? As you walk a mile to the nearest bus stop.
 

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Never understand why some, in defending Party A, say well Party B would be worse when both parties are as useless as each other.
Bit like buying a car that breaks down on a weekly basis and the garage saying "well, good thing you didn't buy a Trabant, they break down on a daily basis". Does that reassure you as you leave the garage with a happy smile on your face? As you walk a mile to the nearest bus stop.
I’m certainly guilty of this at times, i genuinely believe politics and debates should not be binary, but I’m certainly not the worst, whether, left or right, leave or remain
 

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Noel will purge this thread of covid related posts as they're off topic.

The actual situation with these numbers is much more insidious and misleading. My (doctor) wife has just written a piece on this in answer to a question from a family member, and it's eye-watering to read. I don't know if there is a suitable thread on the forum, but if she's OK with it I could PM you a copy?
Stick it in the vax thread and see how it goes.
 

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If you look back, question from john brown. Seemed upset with reply, “my life has not changed” and then went into one that I was gloating and jeering.
My question was why you post in this thread, if you haven't been affected.
But since you and Rorschach have resorted to playground insults, I've lost interest. You carry on with your pot stirring.
 

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Just back on EU shipments & to present the facts we are experiencing & there is no political view attached to this, but this is what it is at moment - we really hoped all this would have been sorted by now... so frustrating

I had a good retail customer just outside Belfast asking for a lathe carriage quote on Friday - we can't even attempt a quote for the foreseeable future as our forwarders have stopped quoting. They have no capacity left as they have been collecting goods but these do not leave UK until documents have cleared customs. As that is not happening their warehouses are full.. Pallets shipped to Ireland over 20 days ago are still not delivered!

We had a shipment to Holland rejected as we had put a small warranty part on as FOC. So created a fake invoice to overcome that.

Northern Ireland should have been easier, but now NI customers will have to pay import duty because we cannot prove machines will not end up in Southern Ireland - we have been unable to get an exemption for 'goods not at risk' as in theory someone from Southern Ireland could easily drive North to buy it and bypass the import duty..

Crazy for sure & not good for business
Cheers all, Nick
 

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That is a ridiculous situation for a business to find itself in Nick, I hope your customers are able to understand and remain loyal even if they have to wait
 

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My question was why you post in this thread, if you haven't been affected.
But since you and Rorschach have resorted to playground insults, I've lost interest. You carry on with your pot stirring.
No this was your question
I just want to know in what tangible way Brexit has enhanced your life. Tangible, not some vague nonsense about sovereignty, or "unelected beaurocrats".
I replied that at present it was neither enhanced or made worse. At this point you said I was gloating and jeering, simply not true.
My question is how is having a different opinion to you, explaining my life at present was neither enhanced or made worse, gloating and jeering. As I keep saying it seems you only want like minded people on this thread.
I also asked you to look for my reasons for voting leave as they were not about what you had suggested, but you chose not too. At this point you got a bit shouty and demanding whilst I was having my tea.
I see no reason why I should not post on this thread unless Noel specicslly says it only for people who have been affected. Then it would be slight one sided.
Of course maybe I don’t understand the rules of an internet debate, is disagreeing not allowed. If you want to call having a different opinion or view, pot stirring then that’s fine.
 
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No this was your question


I replied that at present it was neither enhanced or made worse. At this point you said I was gloating and jeering, simply not true.
My question is how is having a different opinion to you, explaining my life at present was neither enhanced or made worse, gloating and jeering. As I keep saying it seems you only want like minded people on this thread.
I see no reason why I should not post on this thread unless Noel specicslly says it only for people who have been affected. Then it would be slight one sided
At that point I said that the only reason I could see for you to be engaging in this thread, was for gloating and jeering. I stick by that. But I have never " gone off on one", stamped my foot or pounded my first. Those are all inventions of yours, and appear to be typical of your debating style. I have also not resorted to puerile insults.
Nor have I posted silly pictures, to try and put down another member, as you did in another thread. When I called that low, you replied that you'd sunk lower than that before, but I see you accused me of a low shot.
 

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Just back on EU shipments & to present the facts we are experiencing & there is no political view attached to this, but this is what it is at moment - we really hoped all this would have been sorted by now... so frustrating

I had a good retail customer just outside Belfast asking for a lathe carriage quote on Friday - we can't even attempt a quote for the foreseeable future as our forwarders have stopped quoting. They have no capacity left as they have been collecting goods but these do not leave UK until documents have cleared customs. As that is not happening their warehouses are full.. Pallets shipped to Ireland over 20 days ago are still not delivered!

We had a shipment to Holland rejected as we had put a small warranty part on as FOC. So created a fake invoice to overcome that.

Northern Ireland should have been easier, but now NI customers will have to pay import duty because we cannot prove machines will not end up in Southern Ireland - we have been unable to get an exemption for 'goods not at risk' as in theory someone from Southern Ireland could easily drive North to buy it and bypass the import duty..

Crazy for sure & not good for business
Cheers all, Nick
Business is hard enough, it's crazy the UK has chosen to do this.

Small businesses will suffer more than large because of scales of economy.

Long term this country needs to move on from Brexit ideology and start to build a closer relationship with our largest trade partner to cut down these damaging trade barriers.
 
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