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Business is hard enough, it's crazy the UK has chosen to do this.

Small businesses will suffer more than large because of scales of economy.

Long term this country needs to move on from Brexit ideology and start to build a closer relationship with our largest trade partner to cut down these damaging trade barriers.

Rebuilding what was already in place, you mean ? :unsure:
 

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No this was your question


I replied that at present it was neither enhanced or made worse. At this point you said I was gloating and jeering, simply not true.
My question is how is having a different opinion to you, explaining my life at present was neither enhanced or made worse, gloating and jeering. As I keep saying it seems you only want like minded people on this thread.
I also asked you to look for my reasons for voting leave as they were not about what you had suggested, but you chose not too. At this point you got a bit shouty and demanding whilst I was having my tea.
I see no reason why I should not post on this thread unless Noel specicslly says it only for people who have been affected. Then it would be slight one sided.
Of course maybe I don’t understand the rules of an internet debate, is disagreeing not allowed. If you want to call having a different opinion or view, pot stirring then that’s fine.
I'm fine with you posting wherever you like. I was merely trying to find out why you post on this particular thread, if all you want to say is "I'm alright, Jack".
But this is just pig wrestling now.
 

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Long term this country needs to move on from Brexit ideology and start to build a closer relationship with our largest trade partner to cut down these damaging trade barriers.

I have absolutely no problem with building a strong trading relationship with the EU, indeed I welcome free trade. It was always political union that I was against. I know free movement is somewhere between the two before anyone accuses me of hypocrisy.
 

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I'm fine with you posting wherever you like. I was merely trying to find out why you post on this particular thread, if all you want to say is "I'm alright, Jack".
But this is just pig wrestling now.

I thought your name was John, or is Jack a nickname?
 

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I'm fine with you posting wherever you like. I was merely trying to find out why you post on this particular thread, if all you want to say is "I'm alright, Jack".
But this is just pig wrestling now.

And therein lies the flaw of the one person one vote system.
In this case, the majority of voters were in the camp of "makes no difference to me",
and were thus able to vote with emotion rather than objectivity. Albeit led along by MSM
and dodgy propaganda.
 

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I'm fine with you posting wherever you like. I was merely trying to find out why you post on this particular thread, if all you want to say is "I'm alright, Jack".
But this is just pig wrestling now.
Agreed it’s pig wrestling and I’d like it to stop. However I had to answer your question due to the fact I was being accused of ignoring it, 3 times, so I answered it. I’m in a no win situation if you don’t want me to be honest and then accuse me of “I’m alright jack” when I reply. What do you actually want me to say, that may be easier for you.

I do think “my life hasn’t altered” is different to “I’m alright jack”
 

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And therein lies the flaw of the one person one vote system.
In this case, the majority of voters were in the camp of "makes no difference to me",
and were thus able to vote with emotion rather than objectivity. Albeit led along by MSM
and dodgy propaganda.
So get rid of one man one vote? Surely it can’t be replaced with an alternative
I don’t go along with that, everyone is equal.

Ps. I never voted on the principle “makes no difference to me” .... how could I know that 5 years ago.
 

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So get rid of one man one vote? Surely it can’t be replaced with an alternative
I don’t go along with that, everyone is equal.

Ps. I never voted on the principle “makes no difference to me” .... how could I know that 5 years ago.

For sure, it's by far the best system we've managed to come up with so far. But, it's not flawless.
The event in question demonstrated that more than adequately.
I am of the opinion that one should only use a vote if one is sufficiently qualified to do so.
By qualification, I mean sufficiently informed of all the wider issues & implications and that one
properly understands and assumes responsibility for what one is using that vote for.
Hence, the earlier suggestion of having an iq test, before being allowed to vote, is not such
a daft proposition. But, naturally, we cannot (and should not), go down that road.
@Blackswanwood , I may come across as a sore loser. I prefer to see it as a honeymoon period
of mourning and bemoaning. I will probably come out of it quite soon.
I agree, that there is no value in crying over spilt milk, and we can only look forward.
Who knows what the future holds ?

Keep happy everyone,
Daniel

PS; There are still an awful lot of dim people out there 😇
 
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This could never happen under Labour of course.



Written in 2010.

I can already see the counter argument being written 'Tony Blair wasn't a true socialist'
The counter argument is that Blair is history.
In the meantime we've had Brown, Harman, Miliband, Harman again, Corbyn, all history, and now Starmer.
Corbyn and Miliband probably score highest in terms of commitment and lack of self interest.
Starmer is emerging as a career politician - weakening party democracy and running the show with focus groups and 2nd rate PR agencies, as you might run a private golf club. He won't be around for long.
 

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I can’t disagree Jacob, but surely it needs a balancing act electable v too radical
The most radical government we've had since Attlee is Johnson's. Biggest changes since WW2, but not in a good way. Also deeply ideological - various half baked notions of neo liberalism, free market, wealth trickling down etc. all kicked off in 1979 and still failing to achieve anything at all.
In comparison Labour seems just pragmatic, wishing to put the house in order in a sensible way. And a distinctly possible way too, which is why the establishment went ape hsit and made sure we wouldn't win in 2019.
 

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The most radical government we've had since Attlee is Johnson's. Biggest changes since WW2, but not in a good way. Also deeply ideological - various half baked notions of neo liberalism, free market, wealth trickling down etc. all kicked off in 1979 and still failing to achieve anything at all.
In comparison Labour seems just pragmatic, wishing to put the house in order in a sensible way. And a distinctly possible way too, which is why the establishment went ape hsit and made sure we wouldn't win in 2019.

😂 ok thank you
 

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The most radical government we've had since Attlee is Johnson's. Biggest changes since WW2, but not in a good way. Also deeply ideological - various half baked notions of neo liberalism, free market, wealth trickling down etc. all kicked off in 1979 and still failing to achieve anything at all.
In comparison Labour seems just pragmatic, wishing to put the house in order in a sensible way. And a distinctly possible way too, which is why the establishment went ape hsit and made sure we wouldn't win in 2019.

Damn you must smoke some good stuff!
 

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which is why the establishment went ape hsit and made sure we wouldn't win in 2019.

You are a very bright man Jacob, how come you only came to this conclusion after you lost by a massive landslide majority. You were convinced you would win until the exit poll. Surely if it was such a media exercise you or the Labour Party would have seen it. John McDonalds face on the bbc was just shock, he wasn’t bright enough to see this obvious establishment stitch up.

I’d say it’s more to do with the working man not liking what the Labour Party has become, although some people were talking about the problem decades ago, too focus on minor issues and not the bigger picture
 

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You are a very bright man Jacob, how come you only came to this conclusion after you lost by a massive landslide majority. You were convinced you would win until the exit poll.
Not at all. It's always unknown. Nobody expected labour to get so close in 2017 either
Surely if it was such a media exercise you or the Labour Party would have seen it.
We did see it. Everybody saw it. It was the most intensive campaign against a single party leader ever. All the right wing press was full of it day after day, from the day Corbyn became leader. Even the Guardian ran anti Corbyn rants (its under new "management" and is not the paper it was.
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I’d say it’s more to do with the working man not liking what the Labour Party has become, although some people were talking about the problem decades ago, too focus on minor issues and not the bigger picture
The main objection (besides the intense Corbyn hate campaign) was that Labour was looking at the bigger picture, but were being told that the agenda was impossible, in the same way (and by the same people) they were being told that brexit was the golden future.
Massive lies in both cases. People need to think for themselves and not read the Daily Mail.
 
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