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Not at all. It's always unknown. Nobody expected labour to get so close in 2017 eitherWe did see it. Everybody saw it. It was the most intensive campaign against a single party leader ever. All the right wing press was full of it day after day, from the day Corbyn became leader. Even the Guardian ran anti Corbyn rants (its under new "management" and is not the paper it was.The main objection (besides the intense Corbyn hate campaign) was that Labour was looking at the bigger picture, but were being told that the agenda was impossible, in the same way (and by the same people) they were being told that brexit was the golden future.
Massive lies in both cases. People need to think for themselves and not read the Daily Mail.
Are you sure that you and I are living in the same country? I don't know what media you were looking at but I damn sure wasn't seeing it, everything I saw was hailing Corbyn as the new messiah and Brexit was going to be the end of civilisation.

Or is it more likely you were seeing what you wanted to see so you didn't have to accept the reality that you are of a minority view and that most people around you don't want to live under the same circumstances as you do. It sounds to me like you are part of the same champagne socialist bubble as the metropolitan elites living in London and working for the BBC etc. I suspect while you profess marxist views you actually live very comfortably thanks to a capitalist system and Thatcherite policies. Am I wrong or do you actually live in a small council house struggling to get by and wearing a donkey jacket when you visit the working mens club?
 

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Are you sure that you and I are living in the same country? I don't know what media you were looking at but I damn sure wasn't seeing it, everything I saw was hailing Corbyn as the new messiah and Brexit was going to be the end of civilisation.

Or is it more likely you were seeing what you wanted to see so you didn't have to accept the reality that you are of a minority view and that most people around you don't want to live under the same circumstances as you do. It sounds to me like you are part of the same champagne socialist bubble as the metropolitan elites living in London and working for the BBC etc. I suspect while you profess marxist views you actually live very comfortably thanks to a capitalist system and Thatcherite policies. Am I wrong or do you actually live in a small council house struggling to get by and wearing a donkey jacket when you visit the working mens club?
Amazing how many Daily Mail cliches you can pack into one post!
2017 totals 3 main parties
Tory 13,636,684. Labour 12,878,460. Scots Nats 977,569. Tories minority here!
2019 ditto13,966,454, 10,269,051, 1,242,380 Still a substantial Labour vote but not enough we know. Big swing from lib dems to tories.
Just pointing out that Labour voters are not a tiny weird minority of people with obscure views.*
It might look like it to you but perhaps you don't get out enough!
PS and brexit may not be the end of civilisation (yet) but it's obviously a total disaster, as widely forecast by a huge number of people, including a big majority of Labour supporters, as voted against by majority in Scotland, NI and would be Wales now they've seen the outcome.
*That's the brexit party!
 
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People need to think for themselves and not read the Daily Mail.
Nor the Socialist Worker newspaper.

It's all opinion and at the end of the day, if you don't portray yourself as electable to the majority, you don't get the 'job'.

As with life.
 

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Nor the Socialist Worker newspaper.

It's all opinion and at the end of the day, if you don't portray yourself as electable to the majority, you don't get the 'job'.

As with life.
It depends on who is doing the portraying.

Socialist Worker weekly circulation about 8000 i.e. about 1100 daily.
Daily Mail daily circulation 1,134,184. One thousand times the SW!
 

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PS and brexit may not be the end of civilisation (yet) but it's obviously a total disaster, as widely forecast by a huge number of people, including a big majority of Labour supporters,
So you can draw a definitive conclusion after 4 weeks - wow.

If a 'big majority of labour supporters' knew this it's a shame that after 4 years of debate the party and JC could not agree a policy to fight it.

Maybe just one example of how they would dither around in government if elected ?
 

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Just wondering if this forum rule has been completely dispensed with?

  • (6a.) Politics.
    Over the years there has been one subject that has caused heated debates on the forums and that is politics. For that reason political discussion, in particular party political comments in a thread are not regarded as acceptable, please remember this is a woodworking forum after all. We do however understand that politics effects everyday life which is why some topics may be allowed depending on the circumstances.
 

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So you can draw a definitive conclusion after 4 weeks - wow.
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Nearly 5 years since the referendum. Plenty of time to work it all out. Pity the oven ready deal wasn't ready!
 
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