BugBearJacob":390mn4zi said:I'm beginning to think that the UK tradition of supplying unfinished tools is quite insane. Why do they do it?
The issue is not with the lack of finish...although this is bad enough....it is the steel.Jacob":3m7nsixr said:
I got a Faithful set (probably the same as the Lidl offering). The steel was OK but they weren't very well shaped to say the least. But not so bad that anybody should be discouraged from attempting to use them. Have a go with anything IMHO!jimi43":h2tulj1i said:The issue is not with the lack of finish...although this is bad enough....it is the steel.Jacob":h2tulj1i said:
Cheap steel...probably recycled washing machines mixed with mouldy Cheddar...can never be shaped and honed to produce a useful tool...ever...even by you using bits of rock mixed with diesel....
Tools made of cheap "cutting" steel are not "OK"....they are one of the main reasons potential craftsmen and women are put off the art forever and encouraging new members by saying that they are useable is downright irresponsible.
If someone setting out in this fine subject are going to spend time learning to care for and modify tools, they are better served practicing this on old Sheffield steel where the result will be fulfilling rather than being put off for life by trying to fettle supermarket rubbish.
I haven't made a Koi or that beautiful girl and boy in the library but I have whittled the odd woggle or two... :mrgreen:Jacob":3r7s000l said:
I have yet to meet someone new to woodworking (and I have met many) who thought that expensive tools would magically turn them into skilled crafts people. but I have seen people put off by rubbish tools - not least myself in my younger years when presented with a brand new Stanley No 4 which despite my best efforts I could not persuade to works. I, quite naturally in my view, thought the fault was with me.Jacob":2y5yv0qk said:Really "good" tools can be just as discouraging as they don't turn anybody into a craftsman overnight.