Who else thinks this?

[Fergie 307]

I agree, how would you do it?

I think there are a number of things clubs could do. Impose meaningful fines or suspension for players who abuse officials on the pitch, or for poor behaviour off it. As it is they take kids who may have a great talent as footballers, but in some cases have few other life skills, pay them £100k a week and then take no responsibility for the resulting carnage. This is damaging to the reputation of the game, and ultimately to the players themselves. Hopefully if you could encourage better behaviour from the players this will also influence the fans, eventually. Sadly there will always be those who throw vile abuse at the player who they feel has let them down, and this often has racism thrown in when the player is black. It would be lovely if there was a star ship enterprise type transporter system whereby you could pluck these trolls off their sofa on to the penalty spot, we could then have a good laugh at their efforts. I mean look at Rashford, the guy missed a penalty for goodness sake. OK he shouldn't have, he has been the first to acknowledge that, but he's not a machine. Nobody died, get over it. Great to see how his local community has rallied round him.

 

[Jacob]

Good to hear that the team are fighting racism and giving Johnson the two fingers! Breaking: England team’s Downing St reception was ‘cancelled’ because players refused to meet Johnson
Let's hope they can keep up the BLM pressure and change attitudes. Every little helps!

 

[Doug71]

My 9yr old plays football in the local kids team, he is not a big fan of football, we never watch it on TV, he just enjoys a kick around and a bit of fun with his mates

Some of the other kids (and parents) are massive football fans, watch it all the time, kids always have the latest team strip, it's all they talk about.

It's really funny watching them play because even at the age of 9 the ones who are really keen on the game and watch it on TV spend half the time rolling around on the floor holding their leg if they get tackled but the boys like my son who don't watch football on TV hardly ever go down and if they do they are straight back up again getting stuck in.

 

[doctor Bob]

I hope this thread doesn't become politicalised by some (one) other wise it needs to be moved to the nutters hidden forum, seems like some just can't help themselves.

For me racism isn't a left or right wing issue, you get tw-ts in all walks of life and all parties and forums
Anyone who thinks its one side only or trying to say it's a one sided issue is sticking their head in the sand and ignoring the many wrong doings and past mistakes of their favoured party or leader and members. It requires education of the masses.

I suspect it may be easier to bash my bonce against a brick wall, as I doubt it will be taken on board.

P.S. it's also seems like some want to tar all football supporter with the same brush. Most go to matches to enjoy the football, the banter and the excitement, not to smash the place up, fight and end up in hospital. I haven't stuck a firework (sparkler) between my buttocks, for nigh on 30 years, and that was at a rugby club .
Do all Tdf fans who go want to knock the riders off and cause a great big pile up .............. no, same principle, a few spoil it for the majority.

 

[Jacob]

I hope this thread doesn't become politicalised by some (one) other wise it needs to be moved to the nutters hidden forum, seems like some just can't help themselves.

For me racism isn't a left or right wing issue, you get tw-ts in all walks of life and all parties and forums
Anyone who thinks its one side only or trying to say it's a one sided issue is sticking their head in the sand and ignoring the many wrong doings and past mistakes of their favoured party or leader and members. It requires education of the masses.

I suspect it may be easier to bash my bonce against a brick wall, as I doubt it will be taken on board.

P.S. it's also seems like some want to tar all football supporter with the same brush. Most go to matches to enjoy the football, the banter and the excitement, not to smash the place up, fight and end up in hospital. I haven't stuck a firework (sparkler) between my buttocks, for nigh on 30 years, and that was at a rugby club .
Do all Tdf fans who go want to knock the riders off and cause a great big pile up .............. no, same principle, a few spoil it for the majority.

It's these chaps making it "political". THEY are trying to tell YOU something. Nothing to do with me!
Are they all nutters and tw*ts?

 

[doctor Bob]

Oh do shut up Jacob, every thread you join you F--- up for every body, with your lefty / socialist politics, the hidden forum was created specifically for you, and others joined I assume, but you refuse to keep it behind closed doors.
I have zero objections about discussing racism, but you are soley about government bashing and promoting socialism.
I hate to see what carp is in that hidden section.

For the record, I have no objections to taking the knee, I promoted and worked as the anti racist delegate at our local kids club, I have "people of colour" in my family, many asian and Black friends so please don't try and twist/hint things, it's rather below you. Those "chaps" don't need to tell me anything. I'm aware and active against it. I just don't get a kick out of telling people what I do, or how I try and help, unlike some who can't seem to stop telling people how "aware" they are. Yet you never mentioned the England football team and the kick it out campaign, in the last 10 years. A lot of us have been doing our bit for a lot longer than a week before it became trendy. I wonder if you have the facebook stuff up, that seems very popular and on trend, I wonder if this will give you the impulse to go and see how you can help at the local club?

You are a proper bad smell. I thought the hidden forum would blow the smell away but I suspect you can't stir the pot sufficently behind closed doors.

Unfortunately, I know you will get a kick out of getting a response from me, so you will keep going like always. And so the thread will be locked.

 

[Fergie 307]

Bravo. There are a few on here who are so convinced that they are invariably right that the fact that anyone disagrees with them is, in and of itself, evidence that the person concerned is some kind of mental defective. Good for you for calling it out.

 

[RobinBHM]

I would say the backlash against BLM and taking the knee, is a phoney culture war which comes from the right of politics.

but the people who send nasty racist tweets to Rashford etc, aren’t doing so due to political ideology - they wouldn’t know what means, they are just unpleasant idiots that need a good smack

 

[Fergie 307]

And taking the knee originated with Martin Luther King, so why it is being held to be evidence of all manner of sinister motivation is beyond me. But then the people who are booing are no doubt the same louts who don't respect other teams National anthems, and spit on rival supporters. Where they can be identified they should be banned from football for life.

 

[doctor Bob]

but the people who send nasty racist tweets to Rashford etc, aren’t doing so due to political ideology - they wouldn’t know what means, they are just unpleasant idiots that need a good smack

Exactly, so why some tar all supporters as racist is beyond me.

 

[selectortone]

Where they can be identified they should be banned from football for life.

The social media companies know who they are. They should be compelled to reveal their identities. Let them have some of their own medicine and see how they like it.

 

[Fergie 307]

The social media companies know who they are. They should be compelled to reveal their identities. Let them have some of their own medicine and see how they like it.

Absolutely, for all those trolls whether it be to do with football or anything else.

 

[Jacob]

It's these chaps making it "political". THEY are trying to tell YOU something. Nothing to do with me!
Are they all nutters and tw*ts?



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When I wrote "THEY are trying to tell YOU something". I wasn't accusing poor old Bob, or all supporters, of being a racist I meant THEY are trying to tell EVERYBODY something. Doing it very well too IMHO!

 

[doctor Bob]

I have followed Norwich for many years. Really looking forward to this season, think we have a very good chance of finally getting a decent stay in top flight football.
First game Liverpool at Carrow road.
I'm not local anymore so I don't go as much as I should.

 

[Glitch]

And taking the knee originated with Martin Luther King, so why it is being held to be evidence of all manner of sinister motivation is beyond me. But then the people who are booing are no doubt the same louts who don't respect other teams National anthems, and spit on rival supporters. Where they can be identified they should be banned from football for life.

NFL player Colin Kaepernick started the current trend in 2016.
It caught on with a lot of other players. Some teams made different gestures like linking arms.

The big difference was they knelt during the pre-game national anthem. It was to highlight injustice and inequality. He claimed he knelt as a respectful gesture.

Trump whipped up the idea it was disrespectful to the national anthem.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Which it was obviously meant to be or they wouldn't have done it in the middle of the national anthem.

 

[Jacob]

https://www.theweek.co.uk/news/953486/how-taking-the-knee-began

 

[Glitch]

Which it was obviously meant to be or they wouldn't have done it in the middle of the national anthem.

Apparently not, according to him. Originally he just sat then started taking the knee, supposedly to show some respect to the anthem.
I'm only repeating what he said, not defending him. But it's sometime good to hear both sides.

Kaepernick has done an awful lot for worthy causes and donated a lot of his considerable income.
Seems like Rashford is using him as a role model and has also created a platform to successfully bring attention to some key issues. Good on him.

There are undoubtedly inequality issues here in the UK that need fixing but they are nothing like the issues experienced in the U.S. by African Americans.

Just to be clear, I am against taking the knee in the U.K. . They need to adopt a different gesture.

Trying to imagine what would happen if they took the knee during God Save the Queen.
That would be a statement.

Having been to the Germany game and the Final the behaviour of England fans is way worse than I've experienced in the past. Made worse by a home tournament. It's an English disease. Shameful and embarrassing.

 

[Jacob]

...

Just to be clear, I am against taking the knee in the U.K. . They need to adopt a different gesture.

....

But it works. Look at the attention it gets. What do you think they should do instead?

 

[Glitch]

But it works. Look at the attention it gets. What do you think they should do instead?

So any attention is good attention then?
It appears to be causing even more division.

Crystal Palace player Wilfred Zaha stopped taking the knee because he sees it as a hollow gesture. He wants to see real action and some results. He’s right.

We need more of what Rashford has done with help from his fellow players. Donating and raising funds for worthy causes and lobbying the government to offer all kids the same opportunity of a good education. Stuff that resonants with the man in the street. Advertise their campaigns at grounds. Mention it as the teams stand together, arms linked in the centre circle. Ask for donations. Mentions the successes and invite applause.
Kick it Out needs a big kick up the backside.


Kick it Out needs a big kick up the backside.

Or you could just touch your knee on the ground for a second, let the public argue about it and hope the problems go away.