Thank you for posting that it really shows what a long way we still have to go. As richer countries we are going to have to keep up the effort and support poorer countries with their vaccination programs even if just from self interest. Every infected person is an opportunity for the virus to mutate. Just as our Victorian ancestors built sewage systems for the poor to keep cholera out of rich areas we need to get this virus under control globally, our best hope is that it ends up like the 1918 flue virus, still with us still killing but at a level we can cope with. Not trying to be cynical, many people will help out of human decency but this is going to cost big money.
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Wife and I had ours 10 days ago. Local (rural) GPs got together for mass jabs at relatively nearby sport centre and sent out invites. Pfizer frozen jabs - they are being used only at big centres as must defrost big batch at a time. Well organised, car in and out separated, and socially distanced (the carloads too), and inside 6 -7 lanes leading to 6-7 jab teams. Even had dedicated "fill in finder" on the phone, making sure any unused doses finished up in someones arm. Nurse said only about 30 had not turned up before our turn at 6pm. Mid 70's: felt OK for 2 days, and then muscularly knackered, just wearing off, and all joints aching like lousy flu, but with out actually feeling "ill". Wife is shielding, so b***y glad to get it. We didn't see it but anti vac protesers were outside most of the day on and off they said, (no local police), but eventually they moved them on. Should prosecute for causing public harm.
Terry - Somerset
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The belief that individual wealthy nations will materially deny its own citizens a vaccine in favour of others less fortunate is plain naive. Vaccine nationalism exists, and pronouncements by WHO or other worthies will not change public opinion.
The best nations will ensure that vaccines excess to their potential needs will freely distribute them based upon need, the less principled with distribute them based upon political advantage.
Am I being cynical or realistic??
The best nations will ensure that vaccines excess to their potential needs will freely distribute them based upon need, the less principled with distribute them based upon political advantage.
Am I being cynical or realistic??
Realistic, it would be political suicide and I'm as selfish as the next person we have a national health service not an international health service but we need to spread the understanding that the jobs not over if we are all vaccinated. We cannot afford an endless succession of new variants and constant vaccine tweaks.
@Terry - Somerset I think the people saying vaccinate other countries before us, or promoting some kind of shared rollout are very much in a minority. The majority of the population want the vaccines that were paid for with their tax money. Vaccination could be a big part of foreign aid spending in the net few years though I think.
Speaking personally as someone who doesn't see the benefit of a vaccine for me I would gladly see it sent to an vulnerable person abroad, though I suspect the practicality of doing so would be unfeasible.
Speaking personally as someone who doesn't see the benefit of a vaccine for me I would gladly see it sent to an vulnerable person abroad, though I suspect the practicality of doing so would be unfeasible.
Everybody who can be vaccinated should be even if young and fit you can still catch it, may be without symptoms and spread it. A friend of mine whose 50 had it and considers himself lucky to be alive, when they put him in the ambulance I honestly didn't expect to see him again. I think I may have had it as I got the discolored and blistered toes before I knew that could be a symptom, just hope I didn't spread it to anybody. When you get the chance I would urge you to take it I shall as will my family.
NormanB
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In the interest of accuracy, they cannot say that the vaccine will stop transmission because time and events have yet to happen, before sufficient data that is statically significant, is accumulated. Then they can put a number on it, but it is most unlikely to be 100%.
Yes I understand that, hence why I said "at the moment". If the information changes then my opinion will change to suit.
John Brown
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Why don't you see any benefit if having the vaccine? Genuine question...
selectortone
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I'd be more inclined to follow NHS advice and have the jab if they asked me to. They seem to know what they're doing.
Edit: Astra-Zeneca have published findings that show that their vaccine reduces transmission by 67%:
"The authors also report further on the potential for the vaccine to reduce transmission of the virus, based on swabs obtained from volunteers in the UK arms of the trial with a 67% reduction after the first dose of the vaccine."
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-0...stained-protection-76-during-3-month-interval
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NormanB
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It just has.
Well just heard on TV news the excellent results about OxAZ vaccine being effective in stopping transmission throughout the period after the 1st dose - 76% and that this totally backs up use of 12 weeks delay on giving 2nd vaccine - lovely news especially after the badmouthing from various EU countries.
Oops - I mistyped should have said protection not transmission mea culpa.
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Nick Laguna UK
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I don't profess to be an expert on the ins and outs of all this, but do know that we are relieved our 20 year old daughter who has Down's Syndrome is booked in this Friday morning for her jab - we got the call today.
In my view, fair play to the efficiency of this rollout and full credit to the scientists who have been working on this.
She is classed as extremely vulnerable as the stats for adults with Down's have been very concerning for us.
Although we've all been v careful in our household, I know I'm the weakest link going out to get food shopping / go to work when needed etc.
I'll feel a lot happier in 4 weeks when she has some level of protection.
In my view, fair play to the efficiency of this rollout and full credit to the scientists who have been working on this.
She is classed as extremely vulnerable as the stats for adults with Down's have been very concerning for us.
Although we've all been v careful in our household, I know I'm the weakest link going out to get food shopping / go to work when needed etc.
I'll feel a lot happier in 4 weeks when she has some level of protection.
My chances of dying from the virus are basically nil, my chances of getting seriously ill are tiny, I have also likely been exposed (highly likely now it seems but not definite as no testing at the time). The only benefit would be to prevent transmission which there isn't evidence for at the moment. Since I have had a bad (ongoing) reaction to a vaccination in the past I think on balance there is little point in me being vaccinated. As I said, if the information changes then I will re-think it.
That's wonderful news @Nick Laguna UK , they will probably do the whole household if asked, certainly worth asking.
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