Vaccination

[Nick Laguna UK]

That's wonderful news @Nick Laguna UK , they will probably do the whole household if asked, certainly worth asking.

Thanks Garno, our view is we are likely to be OK on probabilities, and I'm not sure we can even request that - her brother is 10 and her sister 16, both fit as fiddles and myself and M are in decent shape for our age - despite me still smoking - but it's really been our eldest that has been our massive concern - I'd rather others who are also vulnerable like her get the jab before us. Our time will come at some point I'm sure. Thanks again and stay well too.

 

[Jake]

As I understand it the current variant across most of Europe is different to the original from Wuhan. Then we have the more infectious/deadly UK variant and South African variant. There have been others. To me it seems it can mutate plenty quickly enough to make itself more dangerous.

Covid is drifting, yes of course it mutates, there are thousands of slightly different variations. The UK, Brazil and SA ones are the most dramatic but they are actually very small changes in parts of the spike protein.

The flu (A type, that causes pandemics) can just swop whole segments around by mixing in a cell infected with another flu virus, which is much more difficult to deal with.

They are actually trialling a universal flu vaccine which trains the immune system to recognise the 'stalk' which is apparently more stable.

 

[Droogs]

Well I got the AZ vaccine in and out in about 4 minutes. Just a little bit of an ache in my shoulder. Kind of like you slept on it funny other than that ok so shall see over the next 48 hrs.

 

[Noel]

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Well I got the AZ vaccine in and out in about 4 minutes. Just a little bit of an ache in my shoulder. Kind of like you slept on it funny other than that ok so shall see over the next 48 hrs.

4 mins Droogs? Thought you had to sit around for 15 mins in case of adverse reaction?
PS- perhaps you were referring to the actual pointy sharp stabbing bit.

 

[Droogs]

no no
not counting the sit in the waiting chair (~6 mins) was in the room asked if I had had a test or had symptoms at all in last fortnight. Then quick run down of the possible side effects and how long for 70/75% efficacy - 3 weeks and then told when I get 2nd should have around 90/95%. told to still take usual precautions while the nurse stabbed me. Ask if I wanted to go out the back door as it was closer to the house and off I went. I live about 80 feet from the surgery.

 

[Noel]

no no
not counting the sit in the waiting chair (~6 mins) was in the room asked if I had had a test or had symptoms at all in last fortnight. Then quick run down of the possible side effects and how long for 70/75% efficacy - 3 weeks and then told when I get 2nd should have around 90/95%. told to still take usual precautions while the nurse stabbed me. Ask if I wanted to go out the back door as it was closer to the house and off I went. I live about 80 feet from the surgery.

Ah, ok.
You getting dose 2 in 21 days or on the long finger? Pfizer or AZ/Ox?

 

[Droogs]

Ages away for 2nd dose. Was told anything up to 12 weeks ie 28 Apr is possible, they will let me know.
I got the OAZ

 

[Droogs]

How is the roleout on your side of the dreechet puddle Noel, are you guys having supply probs like a lot of other stuff or is that going ok?

 

[doctor Bob]

10 million plus

 

[Noel]

How is the roleout on your side of the dreechet puddle Noel, are you guys having supply probs like a lot of other stuff or is that going ok?

Nurse in the family and she had her 2nd Pfizer dose a few days ago, noticed that dose 2 left her arm a bit more sore than dose 1 but otherwise all ok. I think all health/social care workers have been done along with a good share of older and the vulnerable. Vax stat head lines not such a big thing. Maybe because we've a few others things going on (NI Proto, shootings and a bit of paramilitary discontent, usual stuff).
Supply is from GB (don't tell BJ), been a few examples of cancelled deliveries and some vax stations running short but overall rollout and take up seems good.

 

[artie]

Then quick run down of the possible side effects and how long for 70/75% efficacy

If you wouldn't mind just telling me. Did they tell you that it is experimental and then advise you of possible side effects?

No need for anyone to jump all over me.
I would like to know.

 

[Droogs]

no experimental mentioned

 

[TheUnicorn]

4 mins Droogs? Thought you had to sit around for 15 mins in case of adverse reaction?
PS- perhaps you were referring to the actual pointy sharp stabbing bit.

I had my 1st jab today (oxford astrozenica) , very quick process, less than ten minutes, was told I could go straight away, unless I was driving, in which case I should wait 15 mins. Seems a bit reckless really in hindsight, if I'd walked straight off and then gone into anaphylactic shock 10 minutes later, I'd be a mile away from any help? Anyway, glad to say I had no problems whatsoever, drove home after my 15 minutes, no sore arm or muscle aches etc etc,

 

[RobinBHM]

10 million plus

Your monthly salary.....

 

[RobinBHM]

I found out today my niece who is 24 had her jab a couple of weeks ago.

She is an NHS radiographer at Brighton trust.

She was telling me earlier Jan has been awful, her job has been dealing only with Covid patients, mostly in ICU.

She does regular CT scans on them, it's to identify phneumonia spots on the lungs.
It's not just the very frail and very elderly, she was saying there's a fair percentage of people in their 40s 50s 60s too.

I'm not trying to make any point other than: please stay vigilant everybody for this last stretch.

 

[Rorschach]

if I'd walked straight off and then gone into anaphylactic shock 10 minutes later, I'd be a mile away from any help?

And here's me thinking I was a fast walker!

 

[workshopted]

I had the Oxford version of the vaccine a few days ago and I've developed an insatiable appetite for banana fritters... Sigh!

 

[D_W]

I was about to come this thread last week and say this or that about how slow our vaccine rollout is because we haven't been able to spin through the tiers in every state as fast as we'd like. But I saw last week that our rate is 1.3MM shots per day. In my estimation, that's still too slow, but a lot more shots than I'd have guessed.

Also, the news in our area is that nobody can get a shot unless they're a front line worker or nursing home resident, but both of my parents are vaccinated, as are my inlaws (they're not in homes) and I met a couple of people yesterday who were scheduled who were older but not meeting the tier one criteria. The news is just fatalistic here.

"only 38% of care home workers taking vaccine".

Read a little further at the end, the trump administration (certainly not trump, but people working for his admin) made a rule for private pharmacies administering shots here that they have to go to each location 3 times. Not because you need 3 shots, but because they figured after the first shot, people who were waiting to see what happened to others would get the shot the second time, and the third would wrap up everyone getting both shots at a given location.

Great, so what's the rate of uptake on the first and second shot so far? 38 becomes 80%. But that's only told at the very end after the touting of the 38% number at the beginning and obligatory waste of space interviewing people who aren't getting the shot to get the schadenfreude ammo (or to put it another way- get the dumbest answers out of the group and publish them so people can feel good about themselves "at least I'm not as dumb as that guy!!!". Reaction porn)

 

[Garno]

I was about to come this thread last week and say this or that about how slow our vaccine rollout is because we haven't been able to spin through the tiers in every state as fast as we'd like. But I saw last week that our rate is 1.3MM shots per day. In my estimation, that's still too slow, but a lot more shots than I'd have guessed.

Also, the news in our area is that nobody can get a shot unless they're a front line worker or nursing home resident, but both of my parents are vaccinated, as are my inlaws (they're not in homes) and I met a couple of people yesterday who were scheduled who were older but not meeting the tier one criteria. The news is just fatalistic here.

"only 38% of care home workers taking vaccine".

Read a little further at the end, the trump administration (certainly not trump, but people working for his admin) made a rule for private pharmacies administering shots here that they have to go to each location 3 times. Not because you need 3 shots, but because they figured after the first shot, people who were waiting to see what happened to others would get the shot the second time, and the third would wrap up everyone getting both shots at a given location.

Great, so what's the rate of uptake on the first and second shot so far? 38 becomes 80%. But that's only told at the very end after the touting of the 38% number at the beginning and obligatory waste of space interviewing people who aren't getting the shot to get the schadenfreude ammo (or to put it another way- get the dumbest answers out of the group and publish them so people can feel good about themselves "at least I'm not as dumb as that guy!!!". Reaction porn)

This is not meant as a dig at anyone but I genuinely do not understand why anyone would not want to have the vaccine.
Myself and Mrs G are so much looking forward to having our second jab and will remain cautious.
There is no way of knowing the answer to this but I do wonder how big a part social media plays in people refusing to be vaccinated, I would hazard a guess and say it probably plays a very large part. Without social media would more people get the jab?
I don't know the percentages of people who were offered the jab and accepting it in the UK (by offered I mean those who are eligible in their own right and not those who were offered it when taking others to their appointments) I would hope it would be in the high 90's percentage wise.
I accept that nothing I say or do will convince others to have the jab and at the end of the day it is down to individual choice, what I will maintain is the fact that I do not understand the logic behind refusing it.

 

[Rorschach]

That's a big topic really and while I do not understand all reasons there are several that I can sympathise with and it certainly is not as simple as "stupid" people don't want to get it.