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devonwoody

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Saw a set of scrapers email from above special offer £14.95.

Followed link to the web page and I get a notice that I have to sign in with a new password etc. old account no longer valid it states.

After being scammed last week at Pay pal and had to get new credit cards I am wary to sign up to this Rutlands offer.

Anyone know what this is all about?
 
The e-mails legitimate, had the same one

Went to Rutlands site and logged in ok so it could just be your account was out of date

hope that helps

M
 
I placed an order with them only a very short while ago so I am still concerned that they should want me to register again. (been with them years) I will telephone them tomorrow.

Meanwhile copy of request which could come from anyone.

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Hi D.W, just took a look very much a new website, they now accept Paypal if you have an account it will save giving out your details every time you buy. Other useful retailers like Workshop Heaven accept it too!
 
I just followed my Rutlands shortcut which takes me to their site as usual. When I go to open my account it gives me a page saying that this is a new site and if I haven't bought anything from it I must re register giving all my details again. All sounds a bit odd. I would be interested to hear the outcome of your phone call DW.
 
Definitely a new website much faster than the previous one. Just completed the new account registration (despite having previously held an account) it only asks the usual name and billing address details, nothing untoward and they aren't asking for any financial information. What was the outcome of your recent online mishap D.W the whole point of Paypal being that your details aren't passed on just how did you get scammed?
 
Tom K":7eyln4hw said:
Definitely a new website much faster than the previous one. Just completed the new account registration (despite having previously held an account) it only asks the usual name and billing address details, nothing untoward and they aren't asking for any financial information. What was the outcome of your recent online mishap D.W the whole point of Paypal being that your details aren't passed on just how did you get scammed?


I used Paypal last weekend and a few hours later the cc company telephoned with fraudulent activity and the same day a neighbour opposite got hit doing the same thing, honest. I got new cards Tuesday, neighbour had not got her new M & S cards Friday.
Naturally I don't want another bad weekend and having new cards again this week.
So for a tenner I will telephone them Monday.
 
Hi D.W, if both you and a close neighbour had similar problems at around the same time it sounds more like you have an either an insecure wireless network or a new postman.
 
Tom, we both live in a very rural type area and would be surprised if another neighbour was hacking us, Is there a wide range of area this would apply to or would it be close proximity you are inferring?

Neighbour and I both virgins with combined modem/router type hub and high speed setups. Is that relevant?
 
Just went to Rutland's site. Haven't been there for a while so I also got the new sign-up page. No problem and nothing untoward. Just fill it in and set new password.
 
Spoke to Rutlands on the telephone today and the new site is pukka, they did not appreciate that it could have been a scam.
I pointed out to them just because we get an email/web address from a supplier and they ask you to sign in with a new password how do we know it is not a scam and there telephone was not connected at the time.
 
devonwoody":14fg1dwc said:
Tom, we both live in a very rural type area and would be surprised if another neighbour was hacking us, Is there a wide range of area this would apply to or would it be close proximity you are inferring?

Neighbour and I both virgins with combined modem/router type hub and high speed setups. Is that relevant?

Hi D.W, all I am saying is this. You posted about your Paypal problem on a site (this one) with 8000 members a large number of whom use online shopping and Paypal. How many replies saying "yeah just happened to me too John" as opposed to at least 2 victims within your small rural neighbourhood. The hacking thing can be done mobile it won't likely be a neighbour.
 
Tom K":1xdsixi5 said:
devonwoody":1xdsixi5 said:
Tom, we both live in a very rural type area and would be surprised if another neighbour was hacking us, Is there a wide range of area this would apply to or would it be close proximity you are inferring?

Neighbour and I both virgins with combined modem/router type hub and high speed setups. Is that relevant?

Hi D.W, all I am saying is this. You posted about your Paypal problem on a site (this one) with 8000 members a large number of whom use online shopping and Paypal. How many replies saying "yeah just happened to me too John" as opposed to at least 2 victims within your small rural neighbourhood. The hacking thing can be done mobile it won't likely be a neighbour.

DW Toms right about the mobile hacking. Someone could be sitting in a car down the road with a laptop and if your router/account is not secure your computer is at risk to anyone who is that way inclined. Just looking at the networks on my computer there are 2 wifi systems in this area that are unsecure.
On the other hand there are also plenty of people who have had the sort of problem that you are talking about.

Cheers

Mike
 
So by an unsecure wifi, do you mean someone using wifi does not have a firewall? Or is there something else we need to invest in to protect ourselves when making online purchases?

K
 
graduate_owner":32bprcum said:
So by an unsecure wifi, do you mean someone using wifi does not have a firewall? Or is there something else we need to invest in to protect ourselves when making online purchases?

K

Basic wi-fi is unsecured. That means that whatever data you are transmitting between your phone/laptop/whatever and your wifi access point (usually your router) can be tapped into very easily by anyone within range, a wifi enabled laptop or mobile and the right sort of sniffing software. It might not BE a problem if the program you are using on your phone/laptop is sending the data in an encrypted format...ie you are accessing an https site and not a normal http site. But any email traffic is usually sent in the clear (ie not encrypted and easily readable) and which is why you should never send confidential details such as credit card details etc via email. It can be read anywhere down the line by anyone who can intercept the data stream.

So to guard against that most wifi routers will have one or more variants of security that encrypts the data between your phone and your wifi access point.

Hope that helps?

The other thing to bear in mind is that unless you encrypt your wifi then anyone can come along and piggyback off your connection. and so use your connection to the internet for their own nefarious means. Not a good idea if, say, you live in a block of flats and there is a paedophile accessing the web but using your connection.
 
RogerS":167r1f1h said:
graduate_owner":167r1f1h said:
So by an unsecure wifi, do you mean someone using wifi does not have a firewall? Or is there something else we need to invest in to protect ourselves when making online purchases?

K

Basic wi-fi is unsecured. That means that whatever data you are transmitting between your phone/laptop/whatever and your wifi access point (usually your router) can be tapped into very easily by anyone within range, a wifi enabled laptop or mobile and the right sort of sniffing software. It might not BE a problem if the program you are using on your phone/laptop is sending the data in an encrypted format...ie you are accessing an https site and not a normal http site. But any email traffic is usually sent in the clear (ie not encrypted and easily readable) and which is why you should never send confidential details such as credit card details etc via email. It can be read anywhere down the line by anyone who can intercept the data stream.

So to guard against that most wifi routers will have one or more variants of security that encrypts the data between your phone and your wifi access point.

Hope that helps?

The other thing to bear in mind is that unless you encrypt your wifi then anyone can come along and piggyback off your connection. and so use your connection to the internet for their own nefarious means. Not a good idea if, say, you live in a block of flats and there is a paedophile accessing the web but using your connection.

K, Roger is right your router needs secure encryption (something like WPA2-PSK, type 802.11n) which should be sent up on any decent modern router already, but to stop piggybacking you need to make sure you have your network security key (password) sent up so that no one can come along and by looking at the local wifi just click on and connect to your network. Even these days with all the warnings you would be surprised at how many unsecure connections that are around.

Cheers

Mike
 
Interesting, when I connect my Kindle to my PC there are a number of options of internet connections which I assume are my neighbours who are in range?

Anyway I refuse to let my bank or credit card contacts have my email or open an account with this facility because there will be a melt down one day.

Wont it be fun. :evil:
 
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