Lots of hot air

[Jacob]

With climate change stuff none of the forecasts can be argued as facts. So we have to go with the evidence so far. Your evidence thus far has been a fire in Greece, cold in Texas, flood in London etc etc all automatically lead to climate change and the doomesday scenario but a lot of the time these events have other actions that make them significant.


The IPCC don't even predict doomsday scenarios like you are doing they just present them as one of just one of a range of scenarios. As the guy in the interview posted said. You are claiming the IPCC is one voice purporting climate chaos and they are not.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/climate-change/

 

[Selwyn]

https://www.sciencefocus.com/climate-change/

Ok in Derbyshire where you live, what do you think is going to be the biggest problem for you?

 

[Jacob]

Lots of things are affecting people now. Don't make out there was no war, famine, pestilence. immigration/ emigration etc etc before we invented the climate change concept.

One thing at a time! We are talking about climate change , which isn't an invented concept - it is happening.
Yes there are all sorts of other things going on too. Climate change also has a bearing on all the things in your list.

 

[Jacob]

Ok in Derbyshire where you live, what do you think is going to be the biggest problem for you?

Not sea level rise obviously! Problem for us will be much the same as for most of the world - the breakdown of the economy and society, even if the direct effects have not touched us locally.

 

[Selwyn]

Not sea level rise obviously! Problem for us will be much the same as for most of the world - the breakdown of the economy and society, even if the direct effects have not touched us locally.

Why do you think we will be unable to innovate and deal with it?

 

[Selwyn]

One thing at a time! We are talking about climate change , which isn't an invented concept - it is happening.
Yes there are all sorts of other things going on too. Climate change also has a bearing on all the things in your list.

The issue I have is now the catch all for everything. Its a bit like covid.

 

[Jacob]

Why do you think we will be unable to innovate and deal with it?

The biggest obstacle is the sheer denialism which we see coming from all directions - not just on UKW!

In spite of that we are innovating and dealing with it - sustainable energy is growing apace etc. but things have been held back alarmingly; at the top end politically, by the media and by popular opinion.

 

[Jacob]

The issue I have is now the catch all for everything. Its a bit like covid.

Non of these things happen in isolation, they all interact in various ways, good, bad and indifferent.

 

[jcassidy]

I see crazies and trolls are at it again. They must have gotten bored claiming noone is dying from covid and it's all a government conspiracy to keep the populace down.

Same names, same arguments, same drivel.

I expect next month there'll be another 'alternate science' topic de jour, maybe gravity or relativity or what day of the week it is.

 

[Selwyn]

I see crazies and trolls are at it again. They must have gotten bored claiming noone is dying from covid and it's all a government conspiracy to keep the populace down.

Same names, same arguments, same drivel.

I expect next month there'll be another 'alternate science' topic de jour, maybe gravity or relativity or what day of the week it is.

That's interesting. Who has claimed covid is to keep the populace down? The disease that you have a 99.8% chance of surviving that loads and loads of people have tested positive despite all the lockdowns. And you think we're crazy!?

Have they let people have a meal outside in Ireland yet?!

 

[Hallelujahal]

‘Wikipedia is very handy if you want to know something’
My God! Wikipedia is now become a sacred text!!!! lmao

 

[Jacob]

‘Wikipedia is very handy if you want to know something’
My God! Wikipedia is now become a sacred text!!!! lmao

Handy. H A N D Y.
"Sacred" is spelled differently and means something else. If you often have a spelling problem Wikipedia could probably help!

 

[Droogs]

Ok in Derbyshire where you live, what do you think is going to be the biggest problem for you?

Well his main problem will be one of choice, with his journey for his beach holiday a hell of a lot shorter than it is now he'll have a massive pool of EVs to consider as he will only need one with a shorter range

 

[Jacob]

Well his main problem will be one of choice, with his journey for his beach holiday a hell of a lot shorter than it is now he'll have a massive pool of EVs to consider as he will only need one with a shorter range

And downhill all the way!

 

[hairy]

If "they" said;

Stick at one or two kids
Use less wherever possible, from as close to you as possible
Fix it rather than buy new where possible
Pollute less
Grow your own if you can

How many people would argue with that?

The outcome from doing that may mean big industry doesn't get quite what it hoped, it may mean no EVs, supermarkets may sell less junk.

"Them" saying you must and will do xyz will creat a negative personal reaction even before the individual starts looking at what the facts might be. Picking your scientists backing up your viewpoint, with graphs showing, for instance, a massive increase in CO2 with the start point of that graph chosen to illustrate your point most dramatically but which diminishes to nothing over a much longer time line becomes much less convincing as soon as you find another, perhaps more accredited scientist saying the opposite, at least until they are discredited.

No fear created then, no new EV/heat pump/turbine purchased then.

It may be factual that CO2 has risen since the Industrial Revolution, which since the UK was at the forefront of that means we must beg forgiveness more fervently than any other country, but the increase since then is surely irrelevant as soon as you look further back as I tried to point out with the massive graph I posted previously? The rate of increase may take us back to a level seen a very long time ago if nothing changed over the next few centuries but is nothing changing?

Global Warming was renamed. The climate is changing, why is that bad? The blatent use of fear with Covid behaviours shows more plainly what is being done with Climate Change and that approach will not help "their" cause, whatever that actually is. Even if you have bought an EV, moved into a new, insulated, heat pumped, city centre tiny house and have been double jabbed and boostered there will be something else coming soon to argue about. The Emperor's new clothes.

If you don't turn the MSM on you wouldn't even know you're supposed to be worried

 

[RobinBHM]

The guy isn't sceptic. He's saying it is happening however the media is getting hysterical about it and frightening people with scenario's that seem highly unlikely to evolve.

Ah the good old “the media is getting hysterical” claim

that’s the same garbage unsubstantiated claim made about Covid.

 

[Rorschach]

Ah the good old “the media is getting hysterical” claim

Yeah the MSM never do that.

 

[Hallelujahal]

Yeah the MSM never do that.

Lol

 

[RobinBHM]

If you don't turn the MSM on you wouldn't even know you're supposed to be worried

the good old “media is spreading fear” argument.

it’s a lazy argument, using emotive terms that can’t be measured.

using words like “fear” and “worried” conveniently ignore nuance.


your argument conveniently classes “concern” with “fear”

 

[RobinBHM]

Yeah the MSM never do that.

only in your mad world

Ive never met anybody in my life “in fear” from media headlines.

it’s a lazy, childish argument…..used by conspiracy theorists.