Roger Sinden":23220qff said:Thanks, Fred. I was a bit surprised as well. Maybe folks aren't worried about agency staff (aka the next door neighbour, the bloke down the pub) having a decko at their medical records
Tony":kqzv0k6o said:Roger Sinden":kqzv0k6o said:Thanks, Fred. I was a bit surprised as well. Maybe folks aren't worried about agency staff (aka the next door neighbour, the bloke down the pub) having a decko at their medical records
Worried??? I really couldn't care less!!!
senior":1r6d08cj said:Mudman- Tony only gave an honest reply whats wrong with that, now your trying to make him feel guilty about something he genuinely couldn't care less about.
If I order the things that are currently important to me this would also rate in the couldn't care less bracket. That doesn't mean its right or wrong or I don't understand what it means or I'm not bothered about its implications it just means that right here right now its unimportant to me.
Tony":1k6wlvjs said:Roger Sinden":1k6wlvjs said:Thanks, Fred. I was a bit surprised as well. Maybe folks aren't worried about agency staff (aka the next door neighbour, the bloke down the pub) having a decko at their medical records
Worried??? I really couldn't care less!!!
RogerM":10hcr9m3 said:Tony":10hcr9m3 said:Roger Sinden":10hcr9m3 said:Thanks, Fred. I was a bit surprised as well. Maybe folks aren't worried about agency staff (aka the next door neighbour, the bloke down the pub) having a decko at their medical records
Worried??? I really couldn't care less!!!
Actually I tend to agree with Tony. There is a tendency to oppose anything that is "new". For instance, I would expect that if a notebook and pencil had only just been invented there would be those that would oppose the police being able to use them.
With regards to access by agency staff and all and sundry, I would be very surprised if there were not safeguards in place that would prevent anyone accessing records other than those applying to a patient that you are dealing with at a medical/treatment level. For instance, I have access to the Halifax plc database, which gives me access to the financial records of 22 million people. I know of no quicker way to lose my job than to start trawling thru a list of people I know on a "nosy" basis, also ensuring that I never work in the industry again. Yet we expect to be able to go into any bank or building society office in the country and expect staff to have immediate access to our details to provide the service we require.
If it's OK for financial data why is it wrong for an A&E department in any hospital in the country to have access to your medical history to establish if you have any allergies, or if you are on a course of prescribed drugs that may affect the treatment that they deem appropriate for you when you are bought in after an accident. Personally I think it is nonsensical for data like this to have to follow you around in a paper format by Royal mail, with all the delays and inefficiencies this implies.
For me the potential benefits outweigh the "civil liberties" arguments.
Just my 2 penn'orth of non political opinion! Happy Xmas!
RogerM":23w3h0di said:With regards to access by agency staff and all and sundry, I would be very surprised if there were not safeguards in place that would prevent anyone accessing records other than those applying to a patient that you are dealing with at a medical/treatment level.
RogerM":23w3h0di said:For instance, I have access to the Halifax plc database, which gives me access to the financial records of 22 million people. I know of no quicker way to lose my job than to start trawling thru a list of people I know on a "nosy" basis, also ensuring that I never work in the industry again.
RogerM":23w3h0di said:if you have any allergies, or if you are on a course of prescribed drugs that may affect the treatment that they deem appropriate for you when you are bought in after an accident.
Roger Sinden":8hrfgbiw said:RogerM":8hrfgbiw said:With regards to access by agency staff and all and sundry, I would be very surprised if there were not safeguards in place that would prevent anyone accessing records other than those applying to a patient that you are dealing with at a medical/treatment level.
You can't put this in place since potentially any of the 250,000 or so staff (and the 1500 or so additional contract staff 'spare' user accounts) will need access to anyones' records as they come through A&E.
RogerM":8hrfgbiw said:For instance, I have access to the Halifax plc database, which gives me access to the financial records of 22 million people. I know of no quicker way to lose my job than to start trawling thru a list of people I know on a "nosy" basis, also ensuring that I never work in the industry again.
Very true and I am sure that the vast majority of NHS staff are 100% trustworthy. But if you were a contract nurse and just about to end your contract and return to your home country....would you be concerned about not working again?
On that basis no one in a bank branch would have access to details in any other branch on the basis that relief cashiers would trawl thru the database. In reality, when you work in the banking sector, it is just "data" and the overwhelming majority of staff would not be in the slightest bit interested in trawling thru records just for interest. I suspect that NHS staff would be the same - most couldn't care less. And with a proper audit trail and access policy it wouldn't be worth the risk.
RogerM":8hrfgbiw said:if you have any allergies, or if you are on a course of prescribed drugs that may affect the treatment that they deem appropriate for you when you are bought in after an accident.
Having been involved in Government IT systems (and also Halifax's !) and also watching the whole NHS saga from an IT perspective, the very last place I would want to rely on being (a) available and (b) up-to-date is the NHS computer. If I had an allergy then I would carry an SOS card or similar.
Ahh! Now don't get me started on the subject of government sponsored IT projects. But are you saying that because (very) occasionally banks systems have a hiccup that you would want to go back to a system of hand written ledgers, in Stephens Blue ink (in the interests of fine handwriting!).
If I had a serious allergy then I'd probably even consider tattooing that where they stick in the intravenous drip although that might be going a bit far !!!
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