Thanks Nev and all others, its simple when you know how, that grey square is the bees knees (that should help me remember that one :wink: )
As mentioned earlier I have moved on to W7 and these sort of things have crept in, and really I dont really want that sort of thing at my position in the life scale.
Woodbloke, in ten years time you will most probably upgrade your mac and the system you have been used to will most likely change, perhaps you will then realise the older we get the less change to life we want. (for me anyway, I spent £425 upgrading to a new PC and W7, you spent a lot more I assume to a mac so we both got a bargain.)
PS I have now got 5 tags up top and the last one still has a grey square. problem solved by forum experts, hope others gained as well.