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Many brexiteers felt left behind, knew that they didn't gain all that much tangible from the EU and were keenly aware that they were already being taken for granted, treated like idiots and imposed upon by the powers that be

It was certainly clever the way those that felt so left behind were persuaded to vote for the neoliberal ideology that's been responsible for the decline.

And vote for deregulation that will accelerate decline and inequality.
 
Not just there, all over the place. The born-to-power establishment is massively brexit-biased. That's only part of the modern establishment which is more professional and career based, but even within that, there's a lot of it. Countless MPs, judges, civil servants, you name it. I know a few. None of them give a flying toos about Bob's spring onion picker, apart from to think he was overpaid.
 
They weren't at all, the establishment is stuffed full of Brexiters.
Whilst you're not necessarily wrong, I feel like you've missed the important point...

In doing so, they calculated they could regain some of the political capital they had lost in the preceding three decades... Which worked pretty much as intended.

It's also notable that the more visible (and at least on a day to day level, influential) parts of the establishment, be that politicians, the media, bankers, economists, statistians, etc. Broadly and loudly came out in favour of remain, but failed to connect with or articulate their points to the average guy on the street; alienating them...


By contrast, for the most part the pro-brexit side of the establishment (predominantly from aristocratic and "old money" mercentile families, with a few wealthy private business owners thrown in) knew it was best to mostly keep quiet apart from occasionally coming out to play the part of a comically endearing posh person, so as not to alienate the very people whose support was needed.
 
The establishment were pro brexit because of fear of the incipient socialism implied by the social chapter - another layer of regulation, of benefit to ordinary people, particularly "the working class". Press corner
How to persuade people to vote against their own interests?
Easy peasy - just do what the main stream media has always done to control the mob; persuade them to hate each other. Hating foreigner workers was tops, particularly Romanians.
This is what the MSM do. They lay out an organised hate programme every day. Foreigners, immigrants, the unemployed, asylum seekers, gypsies, students, lefties, Corbynists, media studies, single mothers on benefits, black people, Jews, trade unions......etc etc.
This is what they have always done since 17C or earlier, with the details of the list varying through history - "dissenters, antinomians, witches, catholics, beggars, itinerant preachers, agitators, conjurors, pamphleteers, anabaptists" and so on.
Add to the mix the crackpot conspiracy theories; Qanon, paedophile rings, the Great Reset, covid as a sinister totalitarian confidence trick, terrorists, then it's no wonder that a lot of people are going around totally confused and getting angry.
Then smart alecs like Farage or Johnson will say "follow me chaps everything will be all right".
 
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Got to love a Jacob story. They remind me of “murder she wrote” entertaining but thin on plot.
 
Jacob will come back with a corker, can’t wait, trouble is I’ll read it with the theme tune in my head. Hopefully it’ll go soon and he’ll go back to being the hermit in life of Brian
 
This is all well and good, ruminating over the larger issues from our armchairs.
But, can anyone, ANYONE, please give a tangible benefit that has been had from
leaving the EU. Almost anything will do... Even straw clutching
 
This is all well and good, ruminating over the larger issues from our armchairs.
But, can anyone, ANYONE, please give a tangible benefit that has been had from
leaving the EU. Almost anything will do... Even straw clutching
Rorschach has given his. He apparently enjoys watching people's heads exploding.
I believe this was endorsed by the good doctor, as well.
 
Also you can punch Boris and Gove square in the face and know that no gendarme will ever arrest you
 
Rorschach has given his. He apparently enjoys watching people's heads exploding.
I believe this was endorsed by the good doctor, as well.

I gave others earlier on in the thread. The heads exploding thing was a joke, people with a sense of humour would have caught that.
 
Rorschach has given his. He apparently enjoys watching people's heads exploding.
I believe this was endorsed by the good doctor, as well.
No it wasn’t. Stop the cheap shots. Where did I say that. You are just being a tool.
 
John I feel sorry for you if brexit has destroyed your life, obviously from your posts it’s effected you big time. But what have u got against me for saying nothing has changed. U asked me a question I answered
 
And if that view doesn’t suit your agenda then you pineapple them off
 
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