Bringing goods from the EU

[RobinBHM]

Gotta start making the best of a bad job and rethinking a few things?
Interesting read:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/31/the-left-brexit-economic-uk"....The four freedoms of the single market – no barriers to the movement of goods, services, people and capital – are actually the four pillars of neoliberalism...."

this is actually a very interesting philosophical point -something I find interesting from a political ideology standpoint.

the free movement of Labour does benefit neo liberalism, it young working age migration certainly favours capitalism.

But you also have to remember it allows people from poor countries to move to richer lands -I know Polish people that have settled in the UK and are now running their own businesses -so its a 2 way street

Some of the Eastern European countries like Poland have benefitted a great deal from EU investment in infrastructure -wages there are now far higher than they were.

 

[RobinBHM]

Yep. I'd hate anybody to think I wasn't still an opinionated a-hole!

dont worry you safe on that one

 

[sploo]

Yep. I'd hate anybody to think I wasn't still an opinionated a-hole!

Maybe we need to ask the mods for an "Opinionated a-hole" subforum; with access only being granted with evidence of history of being a belligerent git

(I'm in, BTW)

 

[RobinBHM]

The fact is, the EU is a union of diverse countries and cultures, with different and conflicting interests and priorities. Whilst the UK wins some, it loses some, and this is what is intolerable for the ascendent BREXIT wing of the Conservative party.

Brexit is a vehicle to increase opportunities those in power to deregulate for self interest. Covid emergency legislation is a rather useful example of what we will see over the next few years.....removal of checks and balances to avoid scrutiny. The Tufton street network is a shocking insight into how all the disparate groups are connected.

 

[sneggysteve]

YES That's my biggest fear , been working in France doing a major reno / rebuild job and took nearly my whole workshop over wtih me including my startrite ta 275 saw , but no after a few euro buys of some kit, when I return home I'm wondering will I get hit with import + vat on all my tooling.

If so , I'll just turn around and go back , pipper paying those taxes. !

Karl [ currently stuck in a Dutch lockdown ☹ ]

I would think that the process wil be similar to that which applied to persons returning home from outside EU. See the attached Public Notice No 5 section 7

 

[Awac]

Yep. I'd hate anybody to think I wasn't still an opinionated a-hole!

What does the A stand for.....?

 

[sploo]

What does the A stand for.....?

Bottom

 

[Misterdog]

The fact that european car manufacturers happily make RHD vehicles solely for the UK market

There is also life away from the EU. over 50% of our trade is already with that little place called the 'rest of the world'.

RHD vehicles are also used by around 30 %. of the worlds population including Japan and Australia.

 

[Jacob]

There is also life away from the EU. over 50% of our trade is already with that little place called the 'rest of the world'.

But the other 50% is only 20 miles away by sea

RHD vehicles are also used by around 30 %. of the worlds population including Japan and Australia.

Every maker makes RHD vehicles anyway. We have no competitive advantage, nor a motor industry for that matter.

 

[Misterdog]

But the other 50% is only 20 miles away by sea

It's cheaper to ship from China than it is to ship 20 miles by road in the EU.
Though shipping (container) costs have risen dramatically over the last 12 months which will result in some hefty price increases.

Some will see this as good news as they will blame these increases on Brexit.
In the same way that the rest of the world does not exist.

 

[billw]

Always laugh when the shipping cost on Banggood is about 50p to get it sent about 8,000 miles whilst it costs about 70p to post a cheque to the bank.

 

[sploo]

It's cheaper to ship from China than it is to ship 20 miles by road in the EU.

I think it would be more accurate to say that an end consumer is currently charged less for an item shipped from China. It's difficult to see a way that the actual shipping costs wouldn't be more expensive.

I suspect the free/cheap shipping is built into the item pricing; as free shipping is a good psychological pull for buyers.

 

[billw]

I suspect the free/cheap shipping is built into the item pricing; as free shipping is a good psychological pull for buyers.

Exactly, free shipping isn't free you're paying for it in the price of the item already.

 

[artie]

It's cheaper to ship from China than it is to ship 20 miles by road in the EU.
Though shipping (container) costs have risen dramatically over the last 12 months which will result in some hefty price increases.

I watched a documentary about modern cargo ships a few years back. The sheer size and amount of stuff they carry is mind boggling

One of the many nuggets of information imparted was that it cost more to move a 40" tv from the docks to Currys than it did to move it from China to the docks.
Only seeing the sheer volume of goods on a modern ship allows me to believe that

 

[doctor Bob]

I once saw a programme about shipping and it stated it cost 35p shipping per pair of levi jeans from China to England.

Having said that due to lack of containers and empty containers sitting all over the world, containers have gone from $750 to $5000 approx for shipping costs. I believe it's $10000 to USA now.

 

[billw]

One of the many nuggets of information imparted was that it cost more to move a 40" tv from the docks to Currys than it did to move it from China to the docks.
Only seeing the sheer volume of goods on a modern ship allows me to believe that

I saw what was the largest container ship in the world at the time docked in Algeciras. I might have been about 5 miles across the bay from it but it still looked absolutely colossal. Can't remember the stat on how many containers it could carry but it made cheap shipping seem plausible!

 

[selectortone]

I think it would be more accurate to say that an end consumer is currently charged less for an item shipped from China. It's difficult to see a way that the actual shipping costs wouldn't be more expensive.

I suspect the free/cheap shipping is built into the item pricing; as free shipping is a good psychological pull for buyers.

The Chinese government subsidises, or pays entirely, for shipping costs of stuff we buy from Banggood, AliExpress et al. Unless we wake up and start to support local manufacturing they will have no competition eventually. Then look out.

 

[jcassidy]

Best take that up with former MEP's like Baroness Claire Fox then. Her words, not mine.

LOL Because we should all take what a former revolutionary-communists says as gospel. Like when she said there was no genocide in Bosnia, Gary Glitter had a right to download child porn if he wanted to, and House of Lords is a gross offence against democracy and must be abolished, and all.

In normal times, someone like her would be unelectable.

 

[Mark Hancock]

There are a number of comments regarding shipping costs from China and the EU but I suspect those observations are based on only economic considerations and little else. It was interesting to watch Mark Carney's recent talks especially the one about the ethics of business practice and it's affects on the wider community. IMHO the man talks a lot of sense.

 

[artie]

The Chinese government subsidises, or pays entirely, for shipping costs of stuff we buy from Banggood, AliExpress et al.

I've often thought that must be the case because I have bought items from china delivered for a sum that would not have covered postage in the opposite direction.

On another but related vane, I bought a 50" Hisense TV a couple of years ago.
When I queried the vendor about the low price, he assured me the quality was as good or better than more expensive better known brands and that every Hisense TV in the UK is sold at a loss, only possible because of Chinese government subsidy.
Sales pitch or truth?