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Hi I'm new to woodworking but fancy building some shelves, cabinets etc so I picked up a bargain £60 PL55 ex demo saw complete with 2 x 700mm track so I could start cutting some plywood and MDF.

The saws arrived and looks completely unused (no dust marks etc) and the rubber edge strip on the guide rails looks brand new....so my question is would it it be worth getting a better quality blade and fitting it now before cutting the virgin rubber edge strip?

Any suggestions of what sort of blade to go for would be most welcome as I want to achieve the best cuts possible in veneered MDF and plywood.

Thanks in advance for any advice given
 
Sounds good. Ordinarily I'd always suggest ditching the stock blade that comes with a cheaper saw, but I was very surprised recently when I put a Titan (Screwfix) tracksaw against a Festool, ("Festool vs Cheap Tool") at how well the stock Titan blade cut, even with half the tooth count (24 vs 48).

So, if I was you I'd try out the stock blade first before changing blades, and remember you can always reposition the rubber strip and re-cut it if you decide to change the blade later on, or ideally, make sure the new blade has the same kerf as the old.

FWIW I've had good results from Freud Pro blades, I'm sure others will chip in.

Enjoy your saw :)
 
+1 for Freud: I have one for my tablesaw and several of their router cutters. In all cases the quality of finish (and longevity of the cutting edge) has been excellent. But a tablesaw isn't a tracksaw...

... I'm not convinced that a thin kerf blade on a tracksaw is a good idea, necessarily. Festool and Makita could have chosen to use a 1.7mm kerf instead of the 2.2mm they usually have. I suspect they went with the fatter blade for cut quality reasons - they'll resonate at a higher frequency (probably), because the saw plate is stiffer, so probably will vibrate a lot less than a thinner blade might.

I suspect manufacturers have been forced to use thinner-kerf blades on the battery-powered tracksaws, because of the power requirements - it requires a lot less. The trade-off is probably finish quality, but that's deemed acceptable for the utility of not needing a mains connection.

My Makita has no riving knife, and I've managed to induce kickback on a couple of occasions. Not good, and definitely not clever on my part. Thankfully in both cases I had a normal thick-plate (and wide kerf) blade fitted - stronger and more rigid. Significant flexibility might well have resulted in more energy going into the "kick" rather into damaging the workpiece. Which is worse - starting again with a fresh bit of stock, or avoiding an airborne saw blade (or pieces thereof)? Of course I never intended, nor expected, to cause kickback - nobody does. With 20:20 hindsight I was just being stupid.

Festools have riving knives. Their cordless version has a 1.7mm kerf (IIRC). I've no doubt they've safety-tested the living daylights out of their design. I'd probably buy one. But I'm now very wary of using thin kerf, or more specifically thin saw plate, blades in my Makita.

And the other annoyance is that you're committed: unless you are really, really clever with your choice of blades, the overhang of the teeth outside the saw plate is different between the 2.2mm and 1.7mm blades: the cheap 1.7mm ones I have overhang more than the 2.2mm ones do. The saw's arbour is the reference point - it stays in the same position with respect to the track irrespective of the blade fitted. And the inner face of the saw plate is snug to the arbour.

If you're not following me, just remember this one point: the tooth overhang alone is the thing that determines exactly where the blade cuts the rubber strip.

And having the wrong overhang really messes up the geometry: When you tilt the saw, it pivots around the bottom edge of the cut rubber strip, as designed and with a standard blade in place. But a larger-overhang tooth cutting a bevel wil undercut the rubber strip, too, by an amount depending on the tilt of the blade and the overhang. Even if you only used a cheap blade for bevels, it would still mess up the rubber strip: it'll be no good for vertical (90deg) cuts in future, because it would have been undercut where it needs to meet the workpiece snugly.

This may not matter to you, but it matters to me, as one justification for buying one in the first place was to get a near-perfect finished edge, to save on finishing, make better use of offcuts, etc.

If there is a Fred blade of the right dimensions (diameter, kerf and plate thickness) to match the maker's specifications, I'd certainly consider using it. If not, find the best-performing exact dimensional match you can, and go with that, so that you don't mess up the rubber strip unintentionally, and the saw is as safe as it can be.

Regards, E.
 
Thanks Peter that's most helpful.

I checked and it comes with a 24 tooth TCT blade as standard, is it usually the case the more teeth the better / smoother the cut.
 
Eric The Viking":fbnm01e8 said:
Festools have riving knives. Their cordless version has a 1.7mm kerf (IIRC). I've no doubt they've safety-tested the living daylights out of their design. I'd probably buy one. But I'm now very wary of using thin kerf, or more specifically thin saw plate, blades in my Makita.

The saw blade supplied in Festool's TSC55 cordless track saw is the same blade as fitted in their TS55 & TS55R corded saws. It has the same kerf, 2.2mm.

Tim.
 
Thanks - I should have checked (but I'm sure I read it somewhere, possibly before the saw was launched)!

I'm guessing you have one - what's the battery life like?

IIRC there was a "very, very long cut" demo video made by a Festool reseller, which showed the battery life was more than reasonable...
 
I've found these size measurements for the blade 160 x 2.4 x 20mm HW n max 7000 1/min

Hopefully that will help with some suggestions if you think it's worth changing the blade for cutting Plywood and veneered MDF....I doubt I would cut anything thicker than 25mm
 
Eric The Viking":8m5m5s7t said:
Thanks - I should have checked (but I'm sure I read it somewhere, possibly before the saw was launched)!

I'm guessing you have one - what's the battery life like?

IIRC there was a "very, very long cut" demo video made by a Festool reseller, which showed the battery life was more than reasonable...

Yes, in the promotional video that was released, they set up a huge length of laminate worktops end to end and cut through them all, only stopping IIRC to empty the dust bag that comes with the TSC55. The idea was obviously to show how much cutting could be done on one charge.

Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVwYR9yqPjE

The battery life is pretty good, but I dont tend to use mine on really thick solid timber. Most of my usage is on man made boards up to a maximum of 50mm thickness.
The model that I bought was the one that had 2 batteries & 1 charger, as I have a few other 18v Festool batteries & chargers from other tools. Mine has the earlier batteries & charger. I believe the latest Aircool batteries & charger are much quicker to recharge, meaning there is less down time whilst waiting.

The only negative point I could make about it is,......it is not as light as I had imagined for a cordless saw. I think it weighs in at 5.3kg (with 2 batteries fitted) and the corded version is 4.5kg. Even so, the cutting performance and blade speed are pretty much the same on both saws.
 
Moko":2u0d4z89 said:
Thanks Peter that's most helpful.

I checked and it comes with a 24 tooth TCT blade as standard, is it usually the case the more teeth the better / smoother the cut.
Very broadly, yes. In my test there was very little to choose between the 48 tooth Festool blade and the 24 tooth Titan in MDF and Plywood. In MFC the 24 tooth blade showed some very fine chipping, the 48 tooth was perfect. FWIW I started switching out the standard 48t Festool blade for their 28t a couple of years ago and haven't noticed any drop in cut quality.

If you're ripping solid timber then a/ you really need to take care with a tracksaw, and b/ 48 teeth is generally too many.

HTH P
 
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