engineer one
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as the holiday weekend comes up, more of us will be creating dust and
mayhem, so i had a few thoughts about making life safer for us all.
i find that i am becoming more and more concerned about the effect
some wood dusts have on my throat, but after some sessions, i am
coughing more than i would like.
so i have started to enclose the underneath of the blade on my table saw,
but of course to make the stand for it to go on, i have to use the table
saw, bloody murphy's law. anyway i have made a wooden thingie to go at the back of the the blade. but so far am trying to figure out how to
enclose the front yet still allow the motor to tilt the blade through 45 degrees. am thinking some kind of flexible item with dust brushes
from a patio door along the slot. i have isolated the motor behind a board
much like the original but i hope more effectively. :?
however you discover doing this job that you make more dust doing
other things like drilling holes for bolts, planing rough edges, sanding etc.
so whilst our discussions on extraction and cyclones is wonderful, i think
we are not taking enough care and thought over everyday dust production.
my recent experience suggests that i need to consider one of the air boxes
just to take the dust out of the air after work. whilst working i use a mask,
in my case the smaller trend darth vader type, not an airshield. but not after i have finished which of course is when the dust starts to settle.
and then of course is the problem that many of the tools we already have
do not have proper extraction built in, or for instance on most routers, it reduces the amount of plunge capability. and tables seem to be designed to collect the dust in places you would not think it possible.
my bosch random orbit 150 i find works quite well for extraction, but
because of the shape of the extractor on the makita palm sander, i tend
not to have tried to see how efficient that is. nothing on the cordless
drill, some on the biscuit jointer. and although the extraction underneath the dowels on the mafell is good, still a bunch of dust in the holes, which you have to blow out. :?
finally there is the problem of emptying the dust bags. since like most
of us i am a bit of a cheapskate about hoover bags so i get the dust into
the body of my trend extractor,but tipping it out makes almost as much dust as the original work, and of course the black bin bags do not
properly fit over the top, and stuff gets caught in the rim of the vacuum.
many of the extractors seem tohave the same problem when removing
the actual dust bag.
so what can we do to make our conditions better. extraction for the machines, whether it is cyclonic like barry burgess's or who know,
is only the start, and what about hand tool dust?
the approach needs to be integrated and some of the accessories have
to have been designed by guys who have actually used the products.
what's the point of collecting the b****y stuff if in trying to get it down to
the dump, we breath in all the dust we have collected.
we all approach this collection/extraction thing from different directions, but are all after the same thing, cleaner safer workshop, so what can we
do to convince manufacturers of the various components to have some sensible standards and interchangeable parts,instead of differences between each machine. then wouldn't it be nice to have the collection
bag that does not need a degree in stupidity to empty easily and
without dumping the dust everywhere. even dyson do not have it completely correct so it is not just our manufacturers.
i know that we have all talked the actual extraction, but any thoughts
about the other points.
paul :wink:
mayhem, so i had a few thoughts about making life safer for us all.
i find that i am becoming more and more concerned about the effect
some wood dusts have on my throat, but after some sessions, i am
coughing more than i would like.
so i have started to enclose the underneath of the blade on my table saw,
but of course to make the stand for it to go on, i have to use the table
saw, bloody murphy's law. anyway i have made a wooden thingie to go at the back of the the blade. but so far am trying to figure out how to
enclose the front yet still allow the motor to tilt the blade through 45 degrees. am thinking some kind of flexible item with dust brushes
from a patio door along the slot. i have isolated the motor behind a board
much like the original but i hope more effectively. :?
however you discover doing this job that you make more dust doing
other things like drilling holes for bolts, planing rough edges, sanding etc.
so whilst our discussions on extraction and cyclones is wonderful, i think
we are not taking enough care and thought over everyday dust production.
my recent experience suggests that i need to consider one of the air boxes
just to take the dust out of the air after work. whilst working i use a mask,
in my case the smaller trend darth vader type, not an airshield. but not after i have finished which of course is when the dust starts to settle.
and then of course is the problem that many of the tools we already have
do not have proper extraction built in, or for instance on most routers, it reduces the amount of plunge capability. and tables seem to be designed to collect the dust in places you would not think it possible.
my bosch random orbit 150 i find works quite well for extraction, but
because of the shape of the extractor on the makita palm sander, i tend
not to have tried to see how efficient that is. nothing on the cordless
drill, some on the biscuit jointer. and although the extraction underneath the dowels on the mafell is good, still a bunch of dust in the holes, which you have to blow out. :?
finally there is the problem of emptying the dust bags. since like most
of us i am a bit of a cheapskate about hoover bags so i get the dust into
the body of my trend extractor,but tipping it out makes almost as much dust as the original work, and of course the black bin bags do not
properly fit over the top, and stuff gets caught in the rim of the vacuum.
many of the extractors seem tohave the same problem when removing
the actual dust bag.
so what can we do to make our conditions better. extraction for the machines, whether it is cyclonic like barry burgess's or who know,
is only the start, and what about hand tool dust?
the approach needs to be integrated and some of the accessories have
to have been designed by guys who have actually used the products.
what's the point of collecting the b****y stuff if in trying to get it down to
the dump, we breath in all the dust we have collected.
we all approach this collection/extraction thing from different directions, but are all after the same thing, cleaner safer workshop, so what can we
do to convince manufacturers of the various components to have some sensible standards and interchangeable parts,instead of differences between each machine. then wouldn't it be nice to have the collection
bag that does not need a degree in stupidity to empty easily and
without dumping the dust everywhere. even dyson do not have it completely correct so it is not just our manufacturers.
i know that we have all talked the actual extraction, but any thoughts
about the other points.
paul :wink: