My first workshed and my new workshop basework

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Oldman

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Im typing this in wordpad, this is my first post to the forums and having
just spent a couple of hrs typing and adding pics to a "my first workshed"
build thread I clicked submit only to get the "sign in" page, somehow I had
been logged out, (is there a timer?) while I was producing my mamoth first posting.
I tried the browser back button but of course it had vanished.
So here goes again, this will be a shortened version and no danger of it
getting lost but the formatting may be strange when I copy it across.

I found myself in desperate need of a new workshed some 3yrs ago, you
go through life collecting "stuff" dont you, until you either have a big
clearout (regretted later usually) or make more room for yourself.

Id never built a workshop/shed before, so went for a sheet size one to
make life easier. 8x16ft was my choice.
I cleared an area, layed a membrain to trap the weeds, used ex council
paving slabs and concrete building blocks to form level piers for my timber frame base.

i000012.jpg


I had quite a lot of 2nd hand ash timber left from a cooling tower I
dismantled at a local factory, it had been in water for many years and
stored by me ("stuff") for a year or more and was very sound so that and
some treated 3x3" went into the base frame.
18mm ply in 8x4ft sheets went down on top using the sheets to get the
base nice and square too. Lots of screws to make it all very strong.

i000014.jpg


The framework was suck it and see, pent roofed from 3x2" built onto the
floor ply.

i000013.jpg


My plans got hijacked by the family at this point, I got outvoted on the
need for a kids playroom so lost 1/3 of my room to them before it was
even built!
This meant an extra door and more windows.

i000016.jpg

i000020.jpg


Now for the back and side sheets, I went for shuttering ply thinking I get
1 good side but what arrived as bad both sides meaning I had lots of knot
filling to do when using it. Sheet size again made it easier for me to keep
square and less cutting.

i000022.jpg


On with the roof, I used 12mm osb, still hard graft getting the full sheets
up there on my own. Now I realise I have messed up the window framing
timbers and had to do a rework on the front. :oops:

i000028.jpg


I set to making the doors from t&g on 1"x6" bracing, here they are on
the floor resting waiting for the glue to set before finishing to size.

i000034.jpg


ok so the doors are on the felting is done and the windows in, perspex in
the kids end.

i000042.jpg


I did treat the shiplap front with a clear wood preservative that the
manufacturer said wouldnt need any further treatment as I liked the
finished colour, but after 6 months it became clear from the very
darkened colour of the timber that I would now need to treat with
something else, it got a very light creasote substitute in the end.

The back of the workshop before the facia board and guttering was
added.

i000038.jpg


3yrs on and its packed solid but still looking good and waterproof.
I did pack bricks loose under the sides and back gap to the soil from the
timbers and fitted galv weldmesh along the front to stop little furry
animals making homes under it but still allow air to keep the damp away.
Total cost was around £750. More than I expected but it will outlast me!

SO I still need a new workshop.

Got to be much bigger this time, I have earmarked a bit of space at the top of the garden and moved a greenhouse to make it bigger. I did intend to build my own again but...while looking around at garden buildings for inspiration I found one local company offering winter purchases at very good discounts. I was looking at maybe around £1600 for materials for my new 20x12ft workshop and this company was offering a £1950 build for £1450 delivered and fitted to my prepared basework.
I couldnt resist (sorry purists) I promise to make changes to it so some of its my work.

Here is the cleared area for my basework.

img2036e.jpg

img2040e.jpg

img2039.jpg


Concrete is a non starter for my base as its too far from the road and the costs would be too great.

We built a frame 12x10ft of 4x2" treated squared it up and layed it out where the base was to go. There are lots of level changes on this area of ground so the workshop is going to be a step or so up from the lawn level.

img2046.jpg


Blocked up the frame on bricks to get levels and dug out postholes for the 4x4" treated posts that the frame is fixed to using plated bolts.

img2048m.jpg


img2055.jpg


img2054j.jpg


After a final levels check postcrete is added to the postholes, then the rest of the bearers are fitted to this frame. The new workshop has its own t&g floor mounted on bearers running lengthways btw.
A second identical frame is made and leveled plus screwed to the first frame.

img2053h.jpg


More postholes and bolts and yet more postcrete and leveling.

img2050.jpg


Lots of 4x2" treated and all painted where cut and its almost done.

img2057.jpg

img2059j.jpg


As with my first workshop there is a gap between ground and basework. This time I intend to use alloy 5 bar treadplate vertically around the back and sides of the frame sunk into the ground a couple of inches and screwed to the framework to stop little furries from making homes under.
I have a very large amount of this alloy sheeting tucked away so its at no cost and should stop surface water from running directly under the basework and puddling around my posts. The workshop will have gutters fitted to a butt, but as the garden slopes I need to be careful I think of water pooling under my basework.
The total cost for this base work was around £400
There are 18 posts supporting the frame, 18off 10mm x 8" plated bolts, we used 20 bags of postcrete, 5off 4x4" 3mtr posts, 25off 4x2x3.6mtr frame timbers and around 160 4"x12 plated screws.
 
Hi oldman,

Welcome to the forum :D

your pictures have been cought by our spam trap, this will stop when you have a few more posts to your name.

Oldman":whr2exov said:
Im typing this in wordpad, this is my first post to the forums and having
just spent a couple of hrs typing and adding pics to a "my first workshed"
build thread I clicked submit only to get the "sign in" page, somehow I had
been logged out, (is there a timer?) while I was producing my mamoth first posting.
I tried the browser back button but of course it had vanished.
So here goes again, this will be a shortened version and no danger of it
getting lost but the formatting may be strange when I copy it across.

I found myself in desperate need of a new workshed some 3yrs ago, you
go through life collecting "stuff" dont you, until you either have a big
clearout (regretted later usually) or make more room for yourself.

Id never built a workshop/shed before, so went for a sheet size one to
make life easier. 8x16ft was my choice.
I cleared an area, layed a membrain to trap the weeds, used ex council
paving slabs and concrete building blocks to form level piers for my timber frame base.

i000012.jpg


I had quite a lot of 2nd hand ash timber left from a cooling tower I
dismantled at a local factory, it had been in water for many years and
stored by me ("stuff") for a year or more and was very sound so that and
some treated 3x3" went into the base frame.
18mm ply in 8x4ft sheets went down on top using the sheets to get the
base nice and square too. Lots of screws to make it all very strong.

i000014.jpg


The framework was suck it and see, pent roofed from 3x2" built onto the
floor ply.

i000013.jpg


My plans got hijacked by the family at this point, I got outvoted on the
need for a kids playroom so lost 1/3 of my room to them before it was
even built!
This meant an extra door and more windows.

i000016.jpg

i000020.jpg


Now for the back and side sheets, I went for shuttering ply thinking I get
1 good side but what arrived as bad both sides meaning I had lots of knot
filling to do when using it. Sheet size again made it easier for me to keep
square and less cutting.

i000022.jpg


On with the roof, I used 12mm osb, still hard graft getting the full sheets
up there on my own. Now I realise I have messed up the window framing
timbers and had to do a rework on the front. :oops:

i000028.jpg


I set to making the doors from t&g on 1"x6" bracing, here they are on
the floor resting waiting for the glue to set before finishing to size.

i000034.jpg


ok so the doors are on the felting is done and the windows in, perspex in
the kids end.

i000042.jpg


I did treat the shiplap front with a clear wood preservative that the
manufacturer said wouldnt need any further treatment as I liked the
finished colour, but after 6 months it became clear from the very
darkened colour of the timber that I would now need to treat with
something else, it got a very light creasote substitute in the end.

The back of the workshop before the facia board and guttering was
added.

i000038.jpg


3yrs on and its packed solid but still looking good and waterproof.
I did pack bricks loose under the sides and back gap to the soil from the
timbers and fitted galv weldmesh along the front to stop little furry
animals making homes under it but still allow air to keep the damp away.
Total cost was around £750. More than I expected but it will outlast me!

SO I still need a new workshop.

Got to be much bigger this time, I have earmarked a bit of space at the top of the garden and moved a greenhouse to make it bigger. I did intend to build my own again but...while looking around at garden buildings for inspiration I found one local company offering winter purchases at very good discounts. I was looking at maybe around £1600 for materials for my new 20x12ft workshop and this company was offering a £1950 build for £1450 delivered and fitted to my prepared basework.
I couldnt resist (sorry purists) I promise to make changes to it so some of its my work.

Here is the cleared area for my basework.

img2036e.jpg

img2040e.jpg

img2039.jpg


Concrete is a non starter for my base as its too far from the road and the costs would be too great.

We built a frame 12x10ft of 4x2" treated squared it up and layed it out where the base was to go. There are lots of level changes on this area of ground so the workshop is going to be a step or so up from the lawn level.

img2046.jpg


Blocked up the frame on bricks to get levels and dug out postholes for the 4x4" treated posts that the frame is fixed to using plated bolts.

img2048m.jpg


img2055.jpg


img2054j.jpg


After a final levels check postcrete is added to the postholes, then the rest of the bearers are fitted to this frame. The new workshop has its own t&g floor mounted on bearers running lengthways btw.
A second identical frame is made and leveled plus screwed to the first frame.

img2053h.jpg


More postholes and bolts and yet more postcrete and leveling.

img2050.jpg


Lots of 4x2" treated and all painted where cut and its almost done.

img2057.jpg

img2059j.jpg


As with my first workshop there is a gap between ground and basework. This time I intend to use alloy 5 bar treadplate vertically around the back and sides of the frame sunk into the ground a couple of inches and screwed to the framework to stop little furries from making homes under.
I have a very large amount of this alloy sheeting tucked away so its at no cost and should stop surface water from running directly under the basework and puddling around my posts. The workshop will have gutters fitted to a butt, but as the garden slopes I need to be careful I think of water pooling under my basework.
The total cost for this base work was around £400
There are 18 posts supporting the frame, 18off 10mm x 8" plated bolts, we used 20 bags of postcrete, 5off 4x4" 3mtr posts, 25off 4x2x3.6mtr frame timbers and around 160 4"x12 plated screws.
 
I think you are only just on for timber size and span. If you are having any heavy machinery and heavy local loadings extra support may be required.
My estimate based on 50x97 to span 2mtr at 400 spacing light loading.
 
Welcome Oldman. What part of Kent are you in?

Looks like you know what your doing there!
 
OLD":bt839wkl said:
I think you are only just on for timber size and span. If you are having any heavy machinery and heavy local loadings extra support may be required.
My estimate based on 50x97 to span 2mtr at 400 spacing light loading.

Well at present the heaviest items I can think of will be my Myford ML7 lathe, a plasma cutter and mig welder. All are fairly light bits of kit. I am hoping this workshop will remain fairly clear of junk unlike the others, so I have somewhere to swing the cat about.
I have some 4.5mm sheets of alloy treadplate that I could place on the floor if I ever get anything deemed "heavy with small footprint" to spread the load.

The workshop itself comes with 38x75mm floor joists running lengthways with 19mm t&g flooring on those.

But I guess your more concerned that my basework doesn't have enough supports to ground level. There are 14 points around the outside edge that have 4x4" post mounts and another 4 points through the middle.

Do you think this is not enough? I have just over a week before the workshop is due to be delivered so I have time to make adjustments if its deemed a necessity.

Wizer, i'm in Costa geriatric, better known as Herne Bay.
 
That's a great price for a delivered and fitted building - even with the additional cost of the base you've built.

Are you going to place a weed control membrane/shingle under the base?

Did you consider using concrete pilings (plastic tubes sunk and filled with concrete) or pads, rather than timber posts - no worries over rotting timber then.

Great work, and look forward to the rest of the building taking shape.
 
DeanN, yes I thought the price was too good to miss out on, I would have had the base cost of at least that whatever solution workshop I went for.

I wasnt going for a barrier under, hoping that the lack of sun would stop anything of merit growing there.

As for timber ground posts rotting, my take on it is that they only rot above the concrete level when puddles of water are allowed to form continually around them. I'm hoping that with the alloy plates around the basework and the workshop with guttering on top there shouldnt be any water puddling, plus the air movement under should keep things good.

Thanks everyone for the welcome to the forums. :)
 
yo_chuci":3bx98qm2 said:
so how does it look full of toys.... or are you not there yet...

Its not being delivered/errected until late next week so your a bit previous :wink:

Though just as a taster I took some pics of the display workshop while I was at the factory.

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16mm roof boards planed and rebated

img2071q.jpg


38x75mm framing, Tar paper lined.

I'm not having my door or windows in the config above but you get the idea. :)
 
Looks great.

Keep up the photo's.

I like the way you did the base.

My wife works from home and I have installed a few large sheds, she has a log cabin at present. They have always been on a concrete base. The last one was laid by a groundworks contractor and he made a real hash of it. 4m at the back and 5 at the front when it was supposed to be square and not flat. That's why I usually do the work myself. If I do another I will consider your method.

Well done.

Mick
 
wizer":26p7dber said:
Who did you buy the building from ?

Not sure I'm allowed to link directly here so Google for eaglesheds Kent.

I had dismissed buying ready made due to others using cheap material boards for floor and roof, this one got my vote because of the 19mm t&g floor and 16mm roof, no osb in sight :wink:
Then of course there was the errected price....They are back to full price now.
 
I bought an Evolution Fury circular saw a little while ago and got to use it for the first time today.
I had to cut some alloy 5 bar treadplate into strips to place vertically around the outside of my base framework.

What a tool that is, the plate is 2mm plus raised treads and I found it hard to judge the correct speed to push the saw through as it seemed like there was no load at all. I cut 15 metres in no time at all. Pretty noisy though.
 
All my alloy treadplate parts are now fitted to the base which will hopefully divert any runoff rainwater water from finding its way inder the base once the workshops built.

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Got someone coming in Tuesday to remove the few stumpy trees in this pic, that should give me a bit more space beside the workshop and save the roof felt getting damaged by branches.

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Workshop arrives this Thursday, cant wait!
 
Had the tree fella's in today to remove the few that may be in my way.

Look at the last post pic for "before" and here for "after"

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Roll on Thursday now.
 
Its new workshop arrival day and the guys are busy fitting it together.

First the floor in sections, they had to fit extra bearers to my base as the joints came mid way between my bearers.

img2096.jpg


Floor all down and fixed, now for the end panels.

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And the door section to hold the end section in place.

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Front and back sections fitted and some roof trusses in place to firm it all up.

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Hmm, not much room down the back of it, I will need to retrim the hedge back some more yet.

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The cat says yes its ok so far!

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More later as it goes up, seems the flooring guy made it 1/2" too long so the end panel has been removed now for the floor to be trimmed back enough for the end panel to fit correctly.
 

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