Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
Council housing was the big one. She created the modern housing crisis and the boom in house prices and rents.
India’s successful Moon Landing
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Phill05
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Well I go missing for a few days and look what happens another offer broken!!!
And four pages later, India did well the rover is moving nearly as fast as Jacob.
Getting a bit tired now all this reading sends us to sleep.
Keith Cocker
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Utter rubbish
Says the ICI company man who was boozing it up with the union in a London Hotel!
Keith Cocker
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I’ll resist the temptation to get personal
Nope, git it wrong again. We need to move away from slogans, and ‘if I think it it must have happene’!
The ability to buy discounted council houses by the tenants is probably one of the biggest transfers of wealth from the state to the poorer of the country that has ever occurred. It created an expectation of owning your own home, dream most of the working class never had a chance to do.
The decline in housing stock was fully in Labours watch, and the conservatives under Maggie started to increase the stock, however under Major it stalled and saw a slight resurgence under Blair before again declining on his watch
Having dealt with literally hundreds of unions around the world, I have never boozed it up / had dinner with any union official. In fact most I’ve dealt with won’t accept sandwich’s at lunch if we were meeting all day as it could be seen as accepting a gift from the company.I’ll resist the temptation to get personal
Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
Fantasy. Absolute nonsense and complete opposite of the truth.
You obviously are not aware of the housing crisis and how the sale of council housing panned out.
Can't be bothered to dig out all the details for you.
The population in 1950 in the UK was c50 million, it is now 67 million, and with immigration is projected to rise to 70 million by 2035. The UK birth rate is below what is needed to sustain the population. Over a third of births are from non British born women.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nd-wales-drops-to-lowest-level-in-two-decades
So what’s the point of stating this, well, if the population is expanding solely due to immigration, and the council housing stock staying roughly the same, the crisis is therefore being generated by the influx of new people to the UK. Hence the levels of dissatisfaction and frustration of the existing population.
My profile which I posted and my own assessment of my politics suggest I’m marginally right of centre, so not a staunch right wing Conservative . I try to look dispassionately at the data and form an unbiased opinion. That’s why I agree that Brexit has been a disaster, why I supported Gordon Brown, and feel that the existing Conservative Government has done more harm than good and why we I push back on either extreme Right or Left wing propaganda and slogan politics.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...nd-wales-drops-to-lowest-level-in-two-decades
So what’s the point of stating this, well, if the population is expanding solely due to immigration, and the council housing stock staying roughly the same, the crisis is therefore being generated by the influx of new people to the UK. Hence the levels of dissatisfaction and frustration of the existing population.
My profile which I posted and my own assessment of my politics suggest I’m marginally right of centre, so not a staunch right wing Conservative . I try to look dispassionately at the data and form an unbiased opinion. That’s why I agree that Brexit has been a disaster, why I supported Gordon Brown, and feel that the existing Conservative Government has done more harm than good and why we I push back on either extreme Right or Left wing propaganda and slogan politics.
Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
Blame the immigrants! This in general is the extent of right wing "thought" about problematic issues - just decide which minority to blame. What about single mothers on benefits - they used to be top of the tory charts?
I think any government would find it a hard sell to suggest we build more social housing to house people coming into the country rather than to service the needs of the domestic population.….don’t you? You must note I’ve not said anything about whether immigration is a good thing or bad thing for the country. The facts are the facts, they are open to interpretation. Not dealing with immigration decisively was I believe the root cause of the Brexit vote, and has dogged both left and right neither of which had found a solution that is acceptable to the population.
The Australians seem to have it right, assess the needs of the country and selectively allow those most able to fulfill that need to emigrate to Aussie.
As an aside, you don’t hear of any migrants following the land bridge to any of the socialist states to claim asylum rather than risking life and limb crossing the Mediterranean in small boats do you?
Blame the immigrants? They're causing the increase in population and therefore housing demand. Why not? Get real.
10,000,000 immigrants since the turn of the century - where do you think they live? In caves somewhere? We import the population of a couple of good sized cities every year and wonder why there's a housing shortage.
10,000,000 immigrants since the turn of the century - where do you think they live? In caves somewhere? We import the population of a couple of good sized cities every year and wonder why there's a housing shortage.
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Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
A childishly loaded question but you are wrong anyway. Even the majority of tories support the building of more council house.
,Conservative voters support building social housing over homes for sale
What utter rubbish, they are anxious to get to Europe precisely because it is largely socialist and hence relatively civilised.
They could of course spend a little time civilising the own Countries.
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
You seem to have misinterpreted that graph.
Housing stock is the total number of houses (or homes) whereas the graph shows the number built in each year. It doesn't show the rate of decline of housing stock in the private and public sector under either political party.
The effect of the right to buy legislation was undoubtedly a marked transfer of property from the public rental sector (council houses) to private ownership. The buy to let market emerged and the private rental sector grew. In London there was a notable trend of tenants who had used their right to buy to sell on to a buy to let investor after a couple of years and move back into rented property further out (in the private sector). Equally many tenants have held on to the property they bought putting them well inside the realms of IHT.
The funding mechanism from central government for the creation of new housing stock tightened significantly alongside right to buy being introduced - hence the reduction in new council houses being built. Housing Associations have subsequently emerged which are essentially "not for profit" landlords who fund their stock via a mixture of grants and private investment.
Opinions will differ on the merits or otherwise of the decisions that were taken around right to buy. In my view we suffer in the UK from not having a long term housing strategy ... none of which has anything to do with India's fantastic achievement!
Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
They are off on racist/xenophobic ranting.
Waste of space.
Waste of space.
It's neither racist nor xenophobic to point out that people need housing, and we're importing millions.
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Phill05
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What has this ranting got to do with the moon landing?
John Brown
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Suella Braverman is planning to send immigrants to the moon once she's exhausted the avenues of Rwanda and barges. It'll cost a bit more than simply processing the asylum applications more promptly, but it's reckoned to be a big vote winner.
Terry - Somerset
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Housing completions in the UK have fluctuated around the 200k pa for the last 40 years - some may be additive to the total housing stock, some replacement.
UK population has grown in the same period by ~7m - 350k pa. Of these ~60% relate to net migration, the remainder due to UK resident births. Social changes (divorce, single parents etc) has increased unit demand. Immigration is reality - not a comment as to rights or wrongs.
Bluntly demand has far outstripped housing growth. The UK also has too few homes to provide a flexible housing market which limits social mobility and increases prices.
The UK needs a clear housing strategy - something largely absent for decades. It needs to be thoughtful not dogma driven to ensure it is capable of implementation:
UK population has grown in the same period by ~7m - 350k pa. Of these ~60% relate to net migration, the remainder due to UK resident births. Social changes (divorce, single parents etc) has increased unit demand. Immigration is reality - not a comment as to rights or wrongs.
Bluntly demand has far outstripped housing growth. The UK also has too few homes to provide a flexible housing market which limits social mobility and increases prices.
The UK needs a clear housing strategy - something largely absent for decades. It needs to be thoughtful not dogma driven to ensure it is capable of implementation:
- social housing needs extensive borrowing - unattractive with current high levels of debt
- major relaxation of planning constraints brings out the nimby contingent
- increases in housing supply will undermine property values - 64% of homes are owner occupied, negative equity a risk
- innovative solutions required - eg: pension funds to be incentivised to invest in housing
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