and if the challenge is examined
The key words in my opinion.
Much too recently we have all witnessed how protection of an agreed narrative is deemed far more important than examination or consideration of differing information or points of view.
and if the challenge is examined
So do I - but I believe we should use our own rather than import it.I accept that we need a certain amount of petrochemicals to make "stuff", but I also believe that need will diminish rapidly as we look for alternatives and our ability to recycle improves as we head for a circular use system.
The very smart people continually challenging the science are the scientists themselves. This is how science works. They don't need help from nutters on the fringe....
My point, and position, is that when very smart people challenge the general consensus
What agenda? What agreed narrative? These are paranoid delusions.which is guided by people with an agenda, I listen.
Unfortunately thats a bit problematic currently, as I believe the process is - We sell licenses to oil companies, you put in the investment, rigs,drilling, staff etc then what they extract belongs to them ,which they sell on the open market. So even the oil and gas extracted from our own waters we need to go to the open market to buy it back in.but I believe we should use our own rather than import it.
Where have you seen this?The key words in my opinion.
Much too recently we have all witnessed how protection of an agreed narrative is deemed far more important
The whole of science deals with differing opinions and information and always has done. That's what science is all about.than examination or consideration of differing information or points of view.
Thank you. But not exactly an unbiased survey given the sponsor.
Um....you missed this in that articleGlobal witness didn't do the survey - they were quoting a survey done by yougov.
You are speaking to me now, even if it is through the medium of the internet and I have stated how opposed I am to new oilfields, so that's that argument shot down in flames!
Phil P's comment is still valid. Without seeing the actual questions asked all these polls are meaningless.
I guess the people with the agenda sponsoring them changed?Two thirds of the way through the book and climate change hasn't been mentioned once. Their priorities obviously changed.
The New Statesman piece does show the question asked: To what extent, if at all, would you support or oppose the government banning all new oil and gas exploration in the UK?Phil P's comment is still valid. Without seeing the actual questions asked all these polls are meaningless.
It makes no difference either way.The New Statesman piece does show the question asked: To what extent, if at all, would you support or oppose the government banning all new oil and gas exploration in the UK?
A pretty clear cut question and hard to see any ambiguity.
That is correct. But it is a very simplistic question. I suggest that if a few more questions following along the lines of 'Would you still support etc etc if there were job losses....the price of petrol rose ...take your pick....that the response would be different.The New Statesman piece does show the question asked: To what extent, if at all, would you support or oppose the government banning all new oil and gas exploration in the UK?
A pretty clear cut question and hard to see any ambiguity.
How about we use everyone else's until it's all done, then we still have our own?So do I - but I believe we should use our own rather than import it.
Well I'd be fine with that if it also listed all the positives along the lines of " lessening the effect of global waming, making it less likely for refugees to land on our shores because their homelands are no long habitable, cutting back on plastic pollution, stopping your homes being washed away by rising sea levels..." Reasonably, you have to draw the line somewhere on a question or by the time you get to the end of it, there's a danger that people will have forgotten where it started.That is correct. But it is a very simplistic question. I suggest that if a few more questions following along the lines of 'Would you still support etc etc if there were job losses....the price of petrol rose ...take your pick....that the response would be different.
The U.S. is fracking millions of gallons and supplying others.How about we use everyone else's until it's all done, then we still have our own?
That seems to be the US method.
China has been doing that for years, sitting on and stockpiling raw material whilst happily consuming everyone elses, but in their favour they do return a lot of it back to us as products.That seems to be the US method.
It kind of blows the mind.China has been doing that for years, sitting on and stockpiling raw material whilst happily consuming everyone elses, but in their favour they do return a lot of it back to us as products.
Probably because it's nonsense.....
I couldn't quite get my head around how China could buy up all the plywood, take it to China, make stuff and then sell the products back to us for half nothing and free postage.
Well, now you’re advocating a dictatorship, or a full blown communist state. Well I think I can say with absolute confidence, never happen in the UK. Suggest you pack your bags and move to Russia or North Korea!Public opinion is if interest of course but the obligation of government is to do "the right thing" whatever they judge that to be, even if opposed by public opinion.
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