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Interesting reading, I spent some time a while back looking for a decent coffee machine and brought several expensive models that were subsequently returned and I could not find anything that produced something I liked, I then realised that I did not really like coffee.
 
plastic dumped in landfill stays in landfill forevermore.
And the crux of it is DON'T THROW IT INTO LANDFILL

But its not you or I throwing our plastic into landfill, its those we charge(ironically they charge us) to remove and dispose of our rubbish. So the people who do throw it into landfill are out local councils.

Owned by a French company that does most of its manufacturing in China

Im missing the point here.
 
And the crux of it is DON'T THROW IT INTO LANDFILL

But its not you or I throwing our plastic into landfill, its those we charge(ironically they charge us) to remove and dispose of our rubbish. So the people who do throw it into landfill are out local councils.



Im missing the point here.
Well yes, but back when I had a tassimo machine there was no option but to send it to landfill as the pods were not recyclable.

Out of interest are their pods still plastic?

The Nespresso pods are aluminium and so the aluminium can be reused infinitely. Recycling plastics requires the polymer to be cut into shorter and shorter chains and so there are only so many cycles plastic can go through before it is no longer recyclable, for that reason I alway prefer to use metal/glass.
 
I've gone full circle after the usual experimenting with various methods, gadgets and machines and come back to a very basic approach which gives me the coffee I like.

Seems to me that it's all about the beans, the grind, the water temperature and the brew time. Preferred approach now is using a simple fine metal mesh filter basket in a mug, grinding the beans fresh each time and putting in the basket and adding hot water that's a few minutes off the boil and brewing for a time that gives the result you want, for the columbian beans I generally use, and the grind I've settled on, I've found that to be 4 1/2 minutes.

Pouring the hot water slowly from a height also gets air into it and gives a smoother brew, similar to what I suspect the aeropress gadget does by other means.

Can't see how any of the gadgets and machines can add anything more to a coffee, except possibly the high pressures involved in better espresso machines, but I don't really go for espresso anyway !

But there's always marketing and sales folk around to convince you there's more to it and you must have their particular gadget or you're missing out !
 
m missing the point here.
It was response to this:
I just fixed my almost 30year old Krups Espresso machine after my lad broke it 🙄
Hopefully it’s good for another 30 years 🤞🏻
This one was made in Switzerland. I doubt any of the current machines are.
 
Seems to me that it's all about the beans, the grind, the water temperature and the brew time.
Yup
Can't see how any of the gadgets and machines can add anything more to a coffee, except possibly the high pressures involved in better espresso machines, but I don't really go for espresso anyway !
Espresso's a special case. Everything else is a different method of doing what you do.
 
I've gone full circle after the usual experimenting with various methods, gadgets and machines and come back to a very basic approach which gives me the coffee I like.

Seems to me that it's all about the beans, the grind, the water temperature and the brew time. Preferred approach now is using a simple fine metal mesh filter basket in a mug, grinding the beans fresh each time and putting in the basket and adding hot water that's a few minutes off the boil and brewing for a time that gives the result you want, for the columbian beans I generally use, and the grind I've settled on, I've found that to be 4 1/2 minutes.

Pouring the hot water slowly from a height also gets air into it and gives a smoother brew, similar to what I suspect the aeropress gadget does by other means.

Can't see how any of the gadgets and machines can add anything more to a coffee, except possibly the high pressures involved in better espresso machines, but I don't really go for espresso anyway !

But there's always marketing and sales folk around to convince you there's more to it and you must have their particular gadget or you're missing out !
For me it was never about adding to the coffee, it was about reducing from my work load.

If we are working on the understanding that instant granules are simply not coffee, then shoving a pod in a machine and tapping the go button is the easiest route to getting coffee.

Beyond that I looked at which system offered the best range of flavours and sizes
 
Owned by a French company that does most of its manufacturing in China

I suspect most consumer coffee machines are manufactured in China these days and indeed probably some of the pro machines too.
Good news is my 30 year old machine is making coffee again. 👍🏻
 
Well yes, but back when I had a tassimo machine there was no option but to send it to landfill as the pods were not recyclable.

Out of interest are their pods still plastic?

The Nespresso pods are aluminium and so the aluminium can be reused infinitely. Recycling plastics requires the polymer to be cut into shorter and shorter chains and so there are only so many cycles plastic can go through before it is no longer recyclable, for that reason I alway prefer to use metal/glass.
Plastic ? yes.

Reckon the alloy nespresso pods are better as metal is more recyclable than plastic and plastic is currently the bad guy because of its environmental issues. My tassimo machines were xmas gifts, and the nespresso machines were at that point in time outside my price range.

But ive taken all on board and I'll probably next time opt for one of these bean to cup machines.

I like the tassimo type because its an all in one. Does the latte's in a couple of minutes, whereas the nespresso type are designed for someone who wears loafers with no socks, has a man bun and slurps their small espresso or ristretto while sitting at home alone.
 
At home, I drink coffee only occasionally, in the weekends, so I went with something simple:
A Chemex "vase"
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With a manual coffee grinder (Hario).
I have the smaller variant in the caravan, easy enough, add a filter and hot water, just off the boil. Usually have a kitchen scale underneath to measure both coffee and water.
We do still have a Senseo machine on the countertop, an eyesore, but that is because the unwieldy thing does not fit in a cupboard.
 
For me it was never about adding to the coffee, it was about reducing from my work load.

If we are working on the understanding that instant granules are simply not coffee, then shoving a pod in a machine and tapping the go button is the easiest route to getting coffee.

Beyond that I looked at which system offered the best range of flavours and sizes
except that million of people worldwide drink instant every days and say its coffee. is it any more acceptable to say they are wrong
than it is me saying your pods are simply not coffee and unless you are grinding on the spot and using a proper esperesso machine its simply not coffee?

its not. as long as you enjoy what comes out of the cup then happy days. instant and pods aren't far apart from me, i'll drink both in the absense of better alternatives, but only then. but i can never understand the attitudes that coffee seems to inspire, those with fancy setups looking down on all others, those who like instant dismissive of thoe who put time/effort in, and those in the middle dismissive in both directions.

if you enjoy it, its the right coffee for you:)
 
I use the Delonghi Magnifica bean to cup having replaced a nespresso unit. This gives me a great cup and i use with Illy Granni arabica beans. works out much cheaper than a bought cup and much better IMO.
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except that million of people worldwide drink instant every days and say its coffee. is it any more acceptable to say they are wrong
than it is me saying your pods are simply not coffee and unless you are grinding on the spot and using a proper esperesso machine its simply not coffee?

its not. as long as you enjoy what comes out of the cup then happy days. instant and pods aren't far apart from me, i'll drink both in the absense of better alternatives, but only then. but i can never understand the attitudes that coffee seems to inspire, those with fancy setups looking down on all others, those who like instant dismissive of thoe who put time/effort in, and those in the middle dismissive in both directions.

if you enjoy it, its the right coffee for you:)
I don’t look down on people that drink instant, it just doesn’t taste like coffee.
 
I'm another one for the bean to cup. We had a DeLonghi machine for eight years only replacing it with a De Longhi Magnifica Start last year. Normally buy the beans in bulk from Next Day Coffee. I'll only have two or three cups in the morning then it's tea or water for the rest of the day.
 
excuse my ignorance of this subject but if i have a coffee I want a mug not an eggcupful as a lot of these machines seem to only do. so that is why I and obviously millions of others use instant.

or will these all singing and dancing machines produce enough liquid coffe to nearly fill a mug allowing for milk to be added?
 
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