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marku wrote Its not dark like some of the other bits,


In my experience it gets darker soon after it has been cut. Oiling it with clear oil or even the oils it picks up from handling will darken it much more. Also it will reciprocate by staining you. :)
 
Thanks for that, not knowing much about this its interesting to know it may darken with time and oil etc.

Mark
 
I don't know how much turning and stuff you've actually done, so I may be telling a master how to be a beginner, but if you want some idea of how to preserve the wood for turning and such, nip down to somewhere local and reputable and look at their various blanks.
You should be able to judge somewhat from size, grain direction, where each blank is waxed etc. They say a pic is worth a thousand words, seeing and studying in the flesh is worth many more.

You'd have a fair bit of wastage from bits that you process to blanks, but if you were to sell them you'd make a fair bit more, for less transport and postage, with round blanks vs large chunks. It'd sell well, and not only that, if you used it yourself to make nice things, they'd not only sell well but give you great satisfaction in using such pretty wood.

Just a thought, I've been watching this thread with interest to see how it all comes out. Seems to have become quite an adventure :)

All the best.

Nic

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Tony Spear":ku9gmf5y said:
unless you know somebody with a "bowl saver"don't use it for turning

There's a guy around my area, who makes toy boxes etc. and whenever I see him at various "Country" events, he invariably says to me that he can't understand wood turners "You take beautiful wood - and then chuck most of it on the floor!!

I'm officially very offended on behalf of all fellow woodturners Tony :lol:

Having said that, I agree with the underlying sentiment not to waste any lovely timber unnecessarily, be it in turning or any other approach.

A few years back I invested in a bowl saver/coring system having come to the same conclusion myself that it was wasteful and sometimes upsetting (!) to not be able to use all of a lovely piece of timber.

It's fairly expensive kit, not the easiest to use, and sometimes goes wrong, but I can usually get three decent sized bowls, sometimes four, from a decent sized blank, and have never regretted getting it since, having been lucky enough to get hold of some lovely timber from Paul Chapman and elsewhere in recent years and it's very satisfying to be able to make good use of it and hopefully do it justice.

The important thing is that lovely timber like this gets used and appreciated in some form(s), and all credit to Mark for saving it from becoming firewood :shock: everything else is a bonus really from there :D

Cheers, Paul
 
Nic

Thanks for the advice, I am pretty much a beginner. I have made some MDF fitted furniture, pine chest of drawers, green oak coffee table and a few other things, but really don't know anything about converting a tree to usable timber so any advice is great.

Paul is hopefully bringing his saw over on Tuesday afternoon and we will see how things go, judging by his efforts on the other thread involving sawing up a walnut tree he will be a great help.

On the subject of selling the wood I really have no desire to get involved with selling it. This is for a very simple reason, I run my own business and work six days a week, I become obsessive about making money from things and I really don't want to spoil this by involving money. As you say it has become a bit of an adventure. I will wait and see how much usable timber comes from this and then decide what to do with it. (I am not rich)

I would like to make another knife with a presentation box and a piece of furniture, Paul is going to take some for his wood turning after that we will have to see how much is left and what to do with it.

Judging by the size of the stump there is quite a lot of wood to deal with.

Mark
 
I'm actually very much a beginner myself, just a pretty well read one - I'm often not well enough to actually do the physical turning and woodwork, but I'll spend the day pouring through books and web sites for better technique instead :)

I was emphasizing how easy it'd be to sell, not for the money side of things, (although a bit of spending cash is always welcome, I'm not really a money orientated guy either) but for how easy it would be to shift the bits you didn't want yourself. Also, if you really value something, and by the work you've put in, you obviously value beautiful wood, one way to make sure it only goes where it's going to be also valued and appreciated, is to charge for it :) - That or give it away to people that you already know love the same things! (hint, hint!)

If you want a truly gorgeous knife blank for making your own knife, try Dictum tools (Germany, but postage is under a tenner for knives etc.) http://www.mehr-als-werkzeug.de/category/Klingen-und-Klingenrohlinge-3529_3536.htm the site can be swapped to English, that's the section on knife blanks and blades. I am hoping to one day make a couple of small tool knives for a couple of close friends and relatives from their Suminagashi or Damascus steel range*. The same sort of technique in forging that was used for Samurai's swords among others, and produces some of the loveliest and sharpest steels ever conceived. If it all comes together nicely, I'd much appreciate if I could reimburse you for enough wood for at least a couple of sets of nicely figured knife scales - I'll only end up buying them on eBay and giving my money to some stranger.

If you, like me, enjoy spending the occasional evening staring at catalogues of tool porn that you could never justify owning, order their catalogue - it's the Swimsuit Illustrated of the tool world :)

Nic

*Suminagashi steel has multiple layers of softer steels, folded until they form rippled patterns (the two steels used usually have slightly differing colour or brightness) and these are used to provide a back and surround for a centre piece of rediculously hard and sharp steel that otherwise would be too hard and brittle to use for a knife - the layers of softer steel take strain and shock from the very hard steel to protect it. Damascus steel is similar, but missing the centre piece, just having the beautiful layered and folded steel. There's one other similar form that I know of (I'd love to hear of more) called Mokume (or Mokume-gane - Translation "Burl Metal"), where different coloured metals not neccessarily steel can be worked into the layers.
 
Fantastic job.
The grain is very pronounced. After a couple of years seasoning I would cut it nice and thin on my bandsaw and use if for panels on a cabinet or a segmented table top. Of course it would make terrific bowls or bandsaw boxes too. Magic. Stuff for making heirlooms.
 
nicguthrie":2m4dd1nm said:
There's one other similar form that I know of (I'd love to hear of more) called Mokume (or Mokume-gane - Translation "Burl Metal"), where different coloured metals not neccessarily steel can be worked into the layers.

Interesting - didn't know how to spell that, having only heard about it on phone from jewellry-making daughter in the US. It sounds from her as if it's currently very fashionable in the jewellry world, using copper and silver hammered together. Seems to involve a forge and power hammer, so now know what her husband will have to buy for her next birthday :D
 
paulm":crh9ka0d said:
Tony Spear":crh9ka0d said:
unless you know somebody with a "bowl saver"don't use it for turning

There's a guy around my area, who makes toy boxes etc. and whenever I see him at various "Country" events, he invariably says to me that he can't understand wood turners "You take beautiful wood - and then chuck most of it on the floor!!

I'm officially very offended on behalf of all fellow woodturners Tony :lol:

A few years back I invested in a bowl saver/coring system having come to the same conclusion myself that it was wasteful and sometimes upsetting (!) to not be able to use all of a lovely piece of timber.


Cheers, Paul


Don't blame me - I didn't say it! Anyway, as you're both in the same County, maybe you should leg it over to Marku's place and see what might be possible?
 
I can't really see the scale in those pictures, but depending how big the chunks are, you could make a fortune on guitar back and side sets. They would easily go for £100 each...
 
PeterF":394jk3ea said:
I can't really see the scale in those pictures, but depending how big the chunks are, you could make a fortune on guitar back and side sets. They would easily go for £100 each...


I think £25 would be more realistic to us poor people. :lol:
 
whiskywill":2dspnogg said:
PeterF":2dspnogg said:
I can't really see the scale in those pictures, but depending how big the chunks are, you could make a fortune on guitar back and side sets. They would easily go for £100 each...


I think £25 would be more realistic to us poor people. :lol:

Well of course there should be a discount for forum members... :mrgreen:
 
Hi

Paul came over this afternoon and we made a start cutting some of the bits up with his saws which was a huge help tackling some of the bigger bits, I think he is going to post some pictures up soon. there seems to be some good wood to work with!

Still trying to get time to go and get the large bits planked up, hopefully will be later this week.

Thanks

Mark
 

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You could easily get some acoustic sets out of that. We guitar makers love sapwood as well, so you'd get even more out of it...
 
Had a productive afternoon round at Mark's workplace yesterday. He took one of the big trailers up into a field on the hill behind his warehouse where we could do the chainsawing without worrying too much about disturbing people and making a mess. It was easy enough for the tractor, but a challenge for the jeep as the access was fairly steep and churned up mud about a foot thick, got up there at the second attempt though !

Mark did a great job using the tractor and lifting strap to move the bigger logs on and off the trailer for cutting, would have been a real struggle without it. I'm sure I need one of those at home !

I'd packed the jeep up with all the gear in the morning, or so I thought, but on going to get the alaskan mill attachment out of the jeep to show how it works I discovered I'd left it under a bench in the workshop, d'oh #-o (homer)

As it turned out the pieces we were working on were better suited to freehand sawing anyway so luckily wasn't an issue on the day.

Then I discovered the bigger husky with it's nice sharp new chain didn't seem to want to cut at all, weird. Closer examination showed that the muppet that had put the new chain on had managed to put it on with the teeth running in the wrong direction :oops: :lol: Turning it round not surprisingly restored the cutting performance and the afternoon went pretty well after a dodgy start !

Didn't take many pics as I was busy working most of the time and dodging Mark and his tractor with big lumps of wood swinging around on it ! Mark was keen for a big pile of firewood for his woodburner, but surprisingly we discovered that there really wasn't much firewood there at all (and it doesn't burn very well anyway of course) and the wood he had was only really good for turning, wouldn't have been suitable for anything else at all really :D

He ended up with a few token offcuts as firewood though to keep him in a good mood :lol: Here he is with his firewood pile, I did try and stop him, honestly :shock:







As the light was starting to go we heaved all the cut pieces back onto the trailer and slid down the slope back to the car park. Mark didn't see it but I nearly took out a fence and gate post on the way as the jeep was sliding about in the deep mud and the braking wasn't having much effect ! Managed to miss it some how though thankfully.

Back in the car park we transferred some of the cut pieces over to my wee 6'x4' trailer with a bit of discussion about how strange it was that the whole tree only seemed suitable for turning and not much else, but he did manage to hold onto some decent pieces for himself despite my best efforts :lol:

Mark's new 6' manual saw had arrived earlier in the day and his mate Gordie came round at the end of the day to help try it out on the large stump. My back had stiffened up by then, as well as elbows and wrists and pretty much a bit of a wreck all over, so I stood/sat and watched and took photos and gave helpful bits of advice that I had read about on the internet while managing to eat bits of cake and drink some tea, some good multi-tasking I thought :lol:

I'll leave it to Mark to describe how they went about tackling the stump later if he gets the chance, but here's some pics of the guys in action in the meantime and the not too shabby result of a fair bit of hard work =D>















Looking forwards to seeing how the cutting up of the bigger logs goes at the mill if I get the chance, and might need a second round on the remaining smaller stuff once we've recovered from yesterday's efforts, but a very satisfying and productive day yesterday, enjoyed it a lot and the aches and pains subsided a lot after some ibruprofen and best malt medication last night :wink:

Many thanks to Mark for the opportunity to help out and for sharing out the timber, much appreciated. Just got to go and unload it now and move it into the workshop, now where's that tractor..... !

Cheers, Paul
 
paulm":1iefqhjt said:
He ended up with a few token offcuts as firewood though to keep him in a good mood :lol: Here he is with his firewood pile, I did try and stop him, honestly :shock:



Cheers, Paul

Wasn't really the firewood pile, just my sense of humour such as it is ! :lol:

Cheers, Paul
 
Random Orbital Bob":vzefahvw said:
wow Paul...what a haul....fantastic :)

Might be able to spare a bit next time you're round Rob, us turners have to stick together :D

Cheers, Paul
 
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