I seem to remember there was some talk of that happening under the last Labour govt. but nothing ever came of it...
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15 minute cities are much like the brave new world foisted on us in the 60’s and 70’s all the wonderful new developments, only problem is the population don’t want to live in it!
Or you could just respect the more vulnerable people on the roads and put their lives ahead of your Maverick tendencies.
There is a whole section on it in the Highway Code about vulnerable road users.
As for 10mph: You are already required to slow down to 10 mph when passing horses. How many do that?
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You might be surprised at how many of the younger generation do want to live in it. The ownership of cars in the younger generation is falling as is car ownership in cities in general.
https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/pub...an-areas-as-young-people-shun-vehicles/208584
The one issue I have with this is that when I was a kid, people walked in order to get to work, to get to school, etc. There were fewer cars and more people walked because they had to. In my neck of the woods that included walking country lanes, sometimes at night, always very aware of cars and walking so that you faced the oncoming traffic and were super wary of meeting cars on the inside of a bend.
I doubt that sort of road safety is even taught anymore.
If analysed, I bet that walking for necessity has decreased a lot and far more of those "pedestrian billion miles"s are people walking for pleasure and exercise, in parks etc and at far less hazard from traffic.
That saying, there are many more joggers with headphones in and a total lack of situational awareness all queuing up to win the Darwin Award as they cross sideroads without looking ...
selectortone
Still waking up not dead in the morning
For pity's sake, don't get him started on Starmer!
Terry - Somerset
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We recently moved and the 15 minute concept was key to our choice. We now live in a small town with a "traditional" small high street (butcher, baker, newsagent, pubs, restaurants etc) + a large national supermarket all within 10 minutes walk. Some facilities are a little further - eg: doctor.
IMHO much of the development since the 1960s has been ill thought through - planners have got it wrong.
The concession to the 15 minute concept has been a small parade of generally low quality shops, a pub and community centre. Large developments are frequently mono-cultures on the edge of existing urban areas with jobs, schools, shopping etc requiring car ownership.
As a matter of simple observation, socially vibrant areas typically have an integrated mix of housing, apartments, small businesses, restaurants etc. This runs counter to established planning strategy in the UK which largely seeks to "zone" areas - residential, business, industry, shopping etc.
Yes it tends to suit those people that don’t like cars,motorcycles,gardening,DIY, workshops,self sufficiency etc. So what kind of world will that give us? Like many of us I watched the urban planners destroy the world I knew and erect a concrete jungle, complete with walkways in the sky planned shops and facilities and everyone that could turned their backs on it and headed for the suburbs because it looks good on paper and it works for young professionals but only as long as they can run back to Mummy and Daddy for the hols or until they start family’s
Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
RogerS
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Had a look at that article. That figure of £8500 doesn't bear any resemblance to costings elsewhere on the web. Might just get you an air source heat pump but none of the other stuff. In any case, current levels of insulation accprding to Building Regs are pretty damn good. Are we now suggesting that Building Conrol Officers are also given backhanders by the developers to turn a blind eye ?
artie
Sawdust manufacturer.
Yes absolutely, but you don't have to drive at walking pace to do that.
Not required, advised.
The highway code is not law.
John Brown
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Hence my caveat "if it's accurate".
No, I'm not suggesting anything about building control officers. Please don't put your words into my mouth, especially when I've just returned from a dental hygienist appointment.
And there in lies the problem. It’s not a law so it’s optional. How do you, sat in a metal box, decide what acceptable for the horse and rider?
This is why 20 limits are being introduced as people simply can not be trusted to consider the risk to others.
artie
Sawdust manufacturer.
I don't think that's why the twenty mph limits are being introduced, otherwise it would have been done years ago when pedestrian injuries/fatalities were much higher.
I fully understand the different viewpoint of driver v pedestrian/rider and like in many aspects of life a line has to be drawn somewhere.
But the old chestnut "if it saves one life it's worth it" is just an emotional club to beat people round to "ones" way of thinking.
Lons
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Jacob
New Luddism. Awake and resist!
Why do you think they are being introduced?
What would you see as an acceptable number of deaths?
Lons
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We're all different and nothing at all wrong with personal preference, ours is the motorhome. It's very common for owners to swap either way just as it is to buy either then decide the layout isn't suitable and swap to a different one, it's what keeps the dealers in business.
I had a large outfit, SUV and twin axle (Elddis Crusader Zephyr) and I had no issue towing but it's a different experience pulling a large heavy brick that's often at least 75% of the kerb weight of your car than it is sitting higher up driving a similar brick with an engine and towing something like a shopping basket by comparison.
I towed caravans for many years and was a senior manager for one of the largest manufacturers at the time for a few years so I have plenty of experience and know exactly how to tow, load and handle a caravan. If you're going to park up in a rough field somewhere then there's no doubt you're right, motorhomes get stuck but that's the drivers fault as it's about commonsense really. We prefer to hook up on a proper site, ready to relax in just a few minutes.
So how do you choose who is allowed to kill who? By your statement it is acceptable for an adult to kill a child or other vulnerable road user. Even one death is important and should be avoided. It is ridiculous to believe there is an acceptable number of deaths.
Safety is ABSOLUTELY why the 20mph limits are being introduced. Do you have evidence of another motive?
Our local county councillor told us at a meeting I attended that they were being introduced to help the council on its way to net zero.
That’s a novel concept. Did the councillor have a green agenda to push?
I can’t find a single 20 limit introduction with justification based on environment. Every one I can find states safety.
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