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rafezetter

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Is it me or does it seem as though the spam filters in Gmail and Hotmail are wholly ineffective? just looked at my email now since late last night and out of 44 emails only 8 were actually for things I'd signed up for, the rest were the usual dross and offers.

The thing is whenever I get those I set them in the filter to "ignore" and yet everyday, it's the bloody same.

About 6 months ago something was changed at Hotmails server end, the protocols or something and ever since the spam has been significantly worse.

/rant
 
Nope not just you , dozens of the little buggers :x , at least old fashioned junk mail through the letter box could be used to light the fire :wink:
 
I find Gmail filters are excellent. The Spam folder is loaded but but very rare for anything to get past it. Maybe one email a week that I need to hit report spam.
 
I seem to be getting more too. Just the last 6 months or so. I don't use Hotmail.
Tedious - lots of "business propositions", and potentially embarrassing - lots of offers of sexual services. Honestly I haven't done anything to encourage either of them!
Mac mail filter works to some extent. The basic controls are easy but the 'advanced' can cause probs if you don't get it right.
 
I seem to get lots of spam emails, possibly a result of a business website with the email address which is in text, in hindsight maybe it should have been a graphic.

More annoying is all the rubbish phone calls:

-switch phone provider

-switch energy suppliers

-ink cartridges

-business rates appeals

-advertising

Also a new trend, phone calls coming with a local phone number showing on the display, so you answer it thinking it may be a customer.
 
rafezetter, totally sympathise. I have yahoo mail since the year dot and I get 20-40 spams a day, Paypal ('yeah, right') phishing, "Katie" (sympathy Jacob), "neighbour 2.3 miles away", 'your inbox is full', yada yada.

I have tried setting Yahoo's programming to instantly delete such gutter trash, but it simply does not. What I did notice is that every 8-10 weeks, all the spam simply vanishes for a week, than slowly oozes back..Hunh?

My daughter, who uses digital media for a living, tells me "G-mail is clean" maybe Rafe, Jacob and I should simply switch to another provider and abandon our email addresses that the "spambots" have obviously found and will therefore return to ad nauseam?

It's just that I don't fancy going through all my links (in a general sense) to everyone and every company I have used my Yahoo with over the years and re-setting them all; sure I'll miss a vital one...Any advice gratefully recieved.

Sam

EDIT: Yahoo does indeed separate most Spam into a file of same name, but the setting to delete some of the more lurid and disgusting stuff before it reaches the file does not work. It - the purple side of the net - simply piles up in the file and overwhelms anything useful accidentally sent over there. S.
 
I use Linux with Thunderbird as a mail reader for my Virgin and Gmail addresses I usually get a couple of hundred emails per day of which maybe two or three are spam sometimes none. I've always kept clear MS of Yahoo offerings.
 
I had a nasty one arrive at work on Thursday: an email, ostensibly from one of our clients asking, "Did you send me this invoce?", with a signature block, phone and fax numbers. The subject line included an "Invoice no."

Obviously there was something nasty at the end of the link.

I run Linux, so it's much harder to get a virus from email (but not impossible, either, so I'm vigilant). We run our own, home-grown, email filtering, too, which integrates several mainstream lists of spam "signatures" from a number of sources, and usually suceeds far better than any one of the main ones on their own, but it got through that.

It's what they call "spear phishing" - a quite well-targeted (personalised) attack, sent during the working day, and designed to catch a busy person on the hop. I don't send out invoices, but I do have customer contact, and the issue that almost caught me was whether the firm had made a mistake - that would've been important.

The one that'll get you is the one that's plausible enough, and written in such a way as to get you to let your guard down.

The other ones I get regularly are quite entertaining: scam award schemes. There are now more "awards" than there are companies (probably). I'm in marketing and get around ten of these every week. "Re: XXXX 2017 - entries now closing." or something similar, and it usually starts "Dear ------, with reference to the email my colleague sent..."

The funniest one of those is rather persistent, trying to get us (an IT company) to be considered for "Accountancy firm of the year". Needless to say, we're not worthy.

Back on track, my daughter has a simple system: to use disposable email addresses for anything risky, such as online shopping with firms she doesn't fully trust, and some social media and university purposes. It's annoying because you have to remember them (and monitor them), but I was recently pleased to see that Plusnet allows a large number of email aliases (more than any normal human might need), so you can create and destroy them at will. Frustratingly, we don't use Plusnet at home! And you will still get the spam, but at least you can track where it came from, and, if necessary alert the Data Protection Registrar that someone has had your details away.

Given how much this stuff costs the economy and individuals, I think we should have much tougher legislation, and possibly even licensing of data users (with regular audit, like a vehicle's MOT). Having your car nicked is bad enough, but having your indentity stolen, etc. can be completely devastating.

[climbs down off soapbox...]
 
I have a couple of addresses, Gmail and Yahoo, and use the standard Mail client (mac). I get very very few spam mails getting through, 99% ending up in the junk folder.
I also have access to my mums NTL/Virgin account and the amount of Phishing and spam mails she gets is ridiculous, mainly from Nigerian and recently Syrian millionaires trusting her above everyone else to look after their millions while they're inconvenienced by war etc.
I can only assume that this is because she's not that pc savvy and clicks links/ jokes/ funny pictures/ free programs/ etc sent by friends and relations and various random ads that appear courtesy of Google et al which leads god knows where.
So I wonder how much carp is ultimately 'self inflicted' in innocence and that education is the greatest prevention tool?
 
nev":2sxmws80 said:
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So I wonder how much carp is ultimately 'self inflicted' in innocence and that education is the greatest prevention tool?
I think the difference between the huge amount of spam on your mother's Virgin account and the almost absence of any on my Virgin account proves your point.
 
RobinBHM":1k7bj3ig said:
Also a new trend, phone calls coming with a local phone number showing on the display, so you answer it thinking it may be a customer.

Robin


The local number calls are easy, when I get someone calling me with one, write it down and put it on post it above my desk.

When I get a cold call selling phone services, electric, google ads etc, I tell them they have come through the workshop and need to call the office.

I then give them the local number that has been calling me trying to sell things and ask them to update their data base.

If these companies want to spend their days calling people, let them call each other and let the rest of us get on with our work.
 
The local number is likely to be a spoofed caller display, not the caller's real number (or they would have to be in every town etc).
 
Noticed this myself lately with gmail. Getting a lot more coming through the filters. The amount of times my "paypal" account has been closed and needs updating
 
I have a btinternet email address that I have all but retired because of the ineffectual spam filter. I believe the underlying email server is yahoo mail and yahoo have been the target of some massive hacks over the last few years. I was receiving up to 40 spam emails a day - and occasionally a lot more - despite religiously informing their spam filter that they were spam emails.

I'm sad about not using my old email address because I had it from the very early years of email and it's my name, plain and simple, and easy for people to remember. But btinternet became so flaky and unreliable that I moved over to gmail a year ago and I have received the sum total of ONE spam email. Every time I check the spam filter all I get is a message "Hooray, no spam here!". Brilliant.

The problem is, once your email address gets onto one of the many long, long lists that spammers sell each other you're screwed. They will always find a way around spam filters, and if your email provider is rubbish that just exacerbates the issue. The only real way of solving the problem, unless you're very tech-savvy (which I'm not) is a new email address.

It is a pain swapping email address - you have to change your details on paypal, ebay, amazon, your bank, etc., etc., and of course tell all your friends. But I'm really glad I did it. My sister is still on btinternet and she had a recent episode where their server started blocking emails from our other sister in Canada using an email address she has been using for many years. She called btinternet customer service and they completely screwed up her email for two days. They really are a bunch of wallies.
 
Jake":2zu924jr said:
The local number is likely to be a spoofed caller display, not the caller's real number (or they would have to be in every town etc).

You can buy a local number, and it is not expensive.

I own our old one as a VOIP number so if any old customers ring it, it diverts to our current one, when we moved premises we went into a different code and could not take the old number as a land line.

It was cheaper to do it this way than pay for standard call divert.
 
I use Apple Mail and really haven't a clue about how it all operates. I've noticed the volume of spam has increased noticeably, but is still relatively manageable. The dodgy "phishing" mails have also increased. If I didn't delete all the rubbish daily it would get out of hand. I've also noticed the pointless paper carp through my real mailbox is getting ridiculous, If I didn't chuck it every day I'd never be able to leave the house.
 
I'm with Virginmedia so simply set up a mail rule to reject any spam when needed. It works very well and I rarely get any unwanted emails these days. It seems most of the servers I've needed to block are either German or Chinese for some reason. I've been very good with the rules though and refrained from putting **** ** you German **** in the reject with reason box! :lol:
 
woodpig":26ei294e said:
I'm with Virginmedia so simply set up a mail rule to reject any spam when needed. It works very well and I rarely get any unwanted emails these days. It seems most of the servers I've needed to block are either German or Chinese for some reason. I've been very good with the rules though and refrained from putting **** ** you German **** in the reject with reason box! :lol:
:lol:
nb there's two fs in **!
 
tomatwark":2c7b6rpe said:
Jake":2c7b6rpe said:
The local number is likely to be a spoofed caller display, not the caller's real number (or they would have to be in every town etc).

You can buy a local number, and it is not expensive.

I guess you can buy lots of them to be local to lots of people.

Or else you can just spoof the caller ID to display any number you like as "your number".

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecom ... spoof-scam
 
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