budgie98
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Baxter GATE; St Georges GATE; East Laith GATE; St Sepulchre GATE; Waterdale KingsGATE; PrinceGATE; Hall GATE; Friars GATE; Bus GATE!
Not happy - Tin pot council officers who can issue fines.
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Agent_zed
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Not sure this is quite right. CBT is Compulsory Basic Training and seems to be a training session CBT motorcycle and moped training that checks you can actually ride one on the road. then you have to pass your theory test and practical test within 2 years.
If you 'want to ride a moped (up to 50cc) and you passed your car driving test before 1 February 2001' you don't need a CBT.
It would be good if every learner driver had to take a CBT.
stuart little
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I saw it on MSN, it causes serious damage to small cars getting caught in it! There's a sign that says:-"Guided buses only". (Whatever they are)
stuart little
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That's another reason I hung onto my Saab for 21 years, it only had controls for the radio/cd changer, which I hardly used, because the car was so ergonomically designed that it was easier to reach to the radio, which I didn't use much.
throbscottle
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The main route through Birmingham was turned into a bus lane/bus gate combo a few years ago, so no way through for cars. One poor soul was so frustrated he was caught painting over the road markings! To make things so much worse, the main alternative route was closed due to HS2. I used to like driving in Brum - very laid back. Not now though. Worst place is Leicester, which is composed chiefly of traffic lights. A lot of impatient drivers. Not surprising when you have to queue at the light to join the queue for the lights, and infinitum.
I had to go and replace some court computers in London in about 2015. All the way to the Royal High Court, and one at Greenwich, and one other. I'd absolutely dreaded the prospect of driving there, but contrary to Yorkieguy's experience, I was pleasantly surprised. Even the big queue all the way to the M1 was relaxed.
I had to go and replace some court computers in London in about 2015. All the way to the Royal High Court, and one at Greenwich, and one other. I'd absolutely dreaded the prospect of driving there, but contrary to Yorkieguy's experience, I was pleasantly surprised. Even the big queue all the way to the M1 was relaxed.
throbscottle
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Ohhhh. Guided busses have little jockey wheels (or it might be electronic now) attached to them so they will follow a suitably designed track. Clever stuff but I thought they were only really used in large towns and cities.
Blackswanwood
Still Learning
You are correct - I mixed up the CBT and theory test.
I should have concluded with:
"All other things being equal there is no illegality or rule breaking for a takeaway to be delivered by a driver who has a provisional licence, has completed their CBT and are using a moped insured for use for hire and reward while displaying L plates."
Yorkieguy
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The difference is that a moped/motorbike rider has to take the CBT before they can ride on the highway, whereupon they are permitted to ride solo, or with pillion rider who has a motorbike licence.
Car learner drivers aren't permitted to drive solo , and must be accompanied by a full licence holder at all times, so are always under supervision till they pass their driving test. The standard of supervision, (unless by an ADT instructor) might well be questionable.
My point was that the roads would probably be safer if all car learners had to do a bike CBT.
Yorkieguy
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A Newspaper headline proclaims ‘Bus Gate Bonanaza’.
‘The UK’s highest earning bus gate reportedly responsible for a third of all the country’s bus lane fines brought in over £1.5 million in revenue for Brighton & Hove City Council last year’.
‘Around 38,500 fines were issued to motorists for violating the regulations working out at just over 100 infringements a day. If everyone had paid the full £70 fine (rather than the discounted £35 rate for early payment) it would have brought in just under £2.7 million’.
With so many motorists falling 'victim' it rather sounds like hard-pressed law abiding drivers are being lead into a trap in a ingenious Council money-making scam. But when you read the report by someone who has taken the trouble to investigate, it paints a very different picture. Inattentive drivers were the architect of their own misfortune. See:
The bus gate that earns £1.5 million
Bus Gates have signs painted in large letters on the road, but also, as with Bus Lanes, have signs of posts making it clear that only buses, taxis and cycles are permitted. See pic below. (There will also be signs prior to the Bus Gate which direct 'Other Traffic' where to go).
Anyone with the time and inclination can view the Bus Lane/Bus Gate signage in the Government's Traffic Signs Manual, Chapter 3, at the link below. (Fig 9-27, page 107 for example):
https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
Some towns, which would otherwise be overwhelmed and log-jammed with cars, have had to impose so many restrictions on parking and where you can drive, that it makes no sense to even try. It's bus, cycle or walk. My twin granddaughters graduated from Oxford this year. In the three years they were there, when visiting them, I tried only once to go into Oxford by car, and that was to stay at a hotel (With no parking). Bus lanes, bus gates, nowhere to park.
I used the 'Just Park' app to find a parking space for the time I was there. It was on the drive of someone's house (must have been worth >£2.5mill), who had long since given up their car as a liability:
JustPark
‘The UK’s highest earning bus gate reportedly responsible for a third of all the country’s bus lane fines brought in over £1.5 million in revenue for Brighton & Hove City Council last year’.
‘Around 38,500 fines were issued to motorists for violating the regulations working out at just over 100 infringements a day. If everyone had paid the full £70 fine (rather than the discounted £35 rate for early payment) it would have brought in just under £2.7 million’.
With so many motorists falling 'victim' it rather sounds like hard-pressed law abiding drivers are being lead into a trap in a ingenious Council money-making scam. But when you read the report by someone who has taken the trouble to investigate, it paints a very different picture. Inattentive drivers were the architect of their own misfortune. See:
The bus gate that earns £1.5 million
Bus Gates have signs painted in large letters on the road, but also, as with Bus Lanes, have signs of posts making it clear that only buses, taxis and cycles are permitted. See pic below. (There will also be signs prior to the Bus Gate which direct 'Other Traffic' where to go).
Anyone with the time and inclination can view the Bus Lane/Bus Gate signage in the Government's Traffic Signs Manual, Chapter 3, at the link below. (Fig 9-27, page 107 for example):
https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/782724/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-03.pdf
Some towns, which would otherwise be overwhelmed and log-jammed with cars, have had to impose so many restrictions on parking and where you can drive, that it makes no sense to even try. It's bus, cycle or walk. My twin granddaughters graduated from Oxford this year. In the three years they were there, when visiting them, I tried only once to go into Oxford by car, and that was to stay at a hotel (With no parking). Bus lanes, bus gates, nowhere to park.
I used the 'Just Park' app to find a parking space for the time I was there. It was on the drive of someone's house (must have been worth >£2.5mill), who had long since given up their car as a liability:
JustPark
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Agent_zed
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Did the park and ride into Oxford the other day. £5 for the parking and all 3 of us travelling into town. Worked really well, far less stress than trying to park somewhere in town.The biggest problem today is that cars have increased in size and are warmer and quieter inside. This leads to inattention as they are sealed off from the world. My issue with driving in a strange town is that direction signs are placed by people who know where they are, when they should ask a stranger to explain. Cars should be made from glass, so drivers are aware of their own vulnerability. LoL.
throbscottle
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Agree about Oxford. Too much effort to try and park in the centre. I went there to work quite a lot a few years ago. P&R too much of a gamble if I need to go back to the van for something, Park to the north or down near the river seems the best bet, and lug everything. Oxford ain't got nothing on Cambridge though - that's truly awful!
CBT is Compulsory Basic Training and is required before riding a machine of 50cc at 16yrs old or a 125cc at 17yrs old. It takes a day and includes off street manoeuvres basic knowledge of Highway Code and mechanics of machine if deemed to have passed these it is completed with a 2 hour accompanied assessment at which point you may be let out on the road.
Your information is out of date you cannot carry a pillion on L plates at any time and a learner motorcyclist carrying a passenger to supervise them is of no benefit
You don’t have to pass your tests you can simply renew the CBT every 2 years if you are happy with the restrictions of L plates. This practise did cause problems during covid as CBTs expired leaving some people unable to work legally as ther were no facility’s open to renew the CBT
Royal Mail used to operate their telegram service using boys riding on L plates some things don’t change
Still apply’s but you need a CBT if you passed your test after 2001
Can’t remember if that has to be renewed you would need CBT for anything bigger and many people can’t distinguish between mopeds and scooters nowadays some of which have large engines but are “twist and go” You can ride some/most of the trike variants (possibly all) on a car licence but most of the danger is still there!
