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CHJ

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Anybody regularly Rip CD's to MP3?

Need to do a selection in the next day or so and have not got time to trial.

Just for replay on Tablet and on car system to avoid having to mess about changing CD's whilst traveling.

Any point in converting in anything other than low quality (say 4mb per track) as opposed to highest quality (9-10mb)
 
Personally I always rip at the highest quality possible. Lower quality mp3 files tend to distort on high treble and low bass.
 
I usually go for 192mbps. To my ears it sound fine in the car etc.
192mbps usually comes in around 1mb per minute.

I've even had 112mbps sound fairly decent but only go that when space is an issue.

If you were using it through an expensive stereo then 320mbps+ would be better.
 
llangatwgnedd":2kvucvon said:
These days with large and very cheap memory, I personally go for 320kbps.
You have a good point, I guess for the few days they may be needed on current itinerary I can get more than enough in a spare 20GB. thinking about it, it might just be a good chance to try several qualities to see if my old ears can hear the difference if I have chance to rip different versions, just that I do not know how much benefit is seen from 'best' from the average Tablet or Car system only ever used CD as source in the past.


llangatwgnedd":2kvucvon said:
Have a good Christmas and New Year Mr & Mrs Chas..
Thank you, reciprocated in your family direction, hopefully I should have some relax time built in, still trying to recover from a stint in Bavaria.
 
Hi Chas

As said, go for the highest quality you can, it doesn't take a lot longer really. One thing I always do is run the lot through MP3gain (free on the web - other progs available I think). Very quick and equalises the volume differences especially if you've downloaded from seperate sources, so no quiet then loud songs :)

Sound quality is also very dependant on your car and system. The same CD / DVD sounds completely different in my van / A6 / wife's Mini (hers is best as she has a Harman Kardon system.) :mrgreen:

Bob
 
Lons":3tn3ed04 said:
Sound quality is also very dependant on your car and system. The same CD / DVD sounds completely different in my van / A6 / wife's Mini (hers is best as she has a Harman Kardon system.) :mrgreen:

Bob

Does your Audi not have a Bose system?

Slightly off topic but many many years ago I was a custom audio installer.
We had a customer who came in with an Audi which had a full Bose system installed from the factory.

He wanted a better sound.
So he spent £5000 on custom door pods, subwoofer enclosure, amplifiers the lot (all custom made by a specialist)
He had very high quality speakers fitted (can't remember the company) but this was 15+ years ago.
After all that was done, it was still not as good as the Bose system.
Bearing in mind that we were a professional installation company with 10s of years of experience on high profile installs.

It just shows that Bose can be very very good when they want to be.
The clarity was spot on.

Just thought I would share.
 
benjimano":1td1nurt said:
Does your Audi not have a Bose system?

No it doesn't

I had to look up the specs tbh as I'm not a sound system enthusiast. I just know what I like and what sounds good to me :)

The car is now 2 years old, new shape model and has about £7500 of extras but it was a 4 month old demo with low mileage and a huge £13500 discount.
The system is standard Audi with apparently a 180wt 6 channel amplifier and 10 speakers. I also have a 6 disc cd and it's got 2 sd card inputs for stereo and sat nav as well as ipod and usb ports.
I can rarely get through a standard cd as I don't do enough mileage and my sd card and other discs hold many hundreds of MP3s

I wouldn't have paid extra for an upgraded sound system if I'd ordered from new but do admit that my wifes system sounds excellent. (van is crap tho :lol: )

My previous BMW had a top of the range system which I think was Bose but I can't remember as it came with the car which was a pre-reg model.

Bob
 
On making "nice" MP3s:

I've made quite a few commercial CDs down the years and have proper editing software, including a Sony MP3 codec: it's very sensitive to 'signal level'*.

I think they all are. If the level is too low, you get quite unpleasant artefacts. If you get it as loud as possible, the MP3 codec makes better use of its very limited dynamic range - you can reduce the bitrate quite significantly and keep acceptable quality (for really c**p values of 'acceptable').

If you're just using something like Nero and drag-dropping tracks, you may not be able to do this, but if you're using some sort of audio editor to assemble the tracks together...

... normalize to between 1dB and 0.5dB below maximum (depends how brave you're feeling). In my experience, you get reasonable speech results at 22kHz sampling. Music will be tricky, depending on style and content - don't expect tiny wonderfulness with anything that has a lot of long synth notes or classical music!

If you want to get the smallest acceptable filesizes, make the file mono, then normalize (you have to do this in the right order!). For most PA-type applications, including party music, stereo is usually unnecessary.

Hope it helps. To my ear MP3s rarely sound other than nasty - acceptable for talking books on the bus, etc. but not much else. I did serious and very expensive damage to some speakers a few years ago because someone partied with them and fed them distorted MP3s (blew up some almost unobtainable tweeters).

If in doubt stick to wav files - they can be uncompressed, like CDs, and will be a lot cleaner.

E.

Aside: One long-term annoyance is that the 'Red Book' standard for the CD format mentions a quadraphonic implementation (never used AFAIK), and the normal stereo, but not mono. If they'd made slightly more effort the things would've been so much more useful, with roughly two hours playing time! Even now, although you can put totally unrelated material on the two channels (there's no crosstalk as it's digital), you can't define the track times independently. It's really annoying, as most language courses would have fitted on one disc!
 
Lons":cfjf13a2 said:
As said, go for the highest quality you can, it doesn't take a lot longer really. ..
Process time is seconds different as I have IC i7 3.4GHz cpu.

Lons":cfjf13a2 said:
Sound quality is also very dependant on your car and system.
That was my initial thoughts and the fact I still can't think in terms of modern storage capacity as brain still has images of my first mobile storage 5 1/2" floppies.

benjimano":cfjf13a2 said:
Sound system
A couple of weeks ago I had private tour of the BMW 5 & 7 series and RR body production facility at Dingolfing, the costs of some of the option stuff that customers had selected was eye watering, more than total of my run around, still I guess if you can afford a long wheelbase 5.8 ltr? 4 wheel drive beast it's all relevant.
 
You are all very lucky to worry about quality - my usual passenger (SWIMBO) doesn't like to listen to music in the car and as I'm now retired and very rarely drive the car for longish distances on my own the recorded music generally lies dormant!
What's really annoying, at home, she carries a radio around with her wherever she goes!! :)

I use iTunes and copied "my Library" to a USB memory stick which plugs into my BMW's system. Sounds fine whenever I get the opportunity to listen to it? :)

Rod
 
Lons":1nnaefe2 said:
Hi Chas

.....One thing I always do is run the lot through MP3gain (free on the web - other progs available I think). Very quick and equalises the volume differences especially if you've downloaded from seperate sources, so no quiet then loud songs :)

.....

Bob

That must play havoc with Beethoven!
 
RogerS":2a3s4vtp said:
Lons":2a3s4vtp said:
Hi Chas

.....One thing I always do is run the lot through MP3gain (free on the web - other progs available I think). Very quick and equalises the volume differences especially if you've downloaded from seperate sources, so no quiet then loud songs :)

.....

Bob

That must play havoc with Beethoven!


Think he's past caring :lol:
 
CHJ":1tuwcsop said:
RogerS":1tuwcsop said:
Lons":1tuwcsop said:
Hi Chas

.....One thing I always do is run the lot through MP3gain (free on the web - other progs available I think). Very quick and equalises the volume differences especially if you've downloaded from seperate sources, so no quiet then loud songs :)

.....

Bob

That must play havoc with Beethoven!


Think he's past caring :lol:

Wouldn't notice anyway. Would he? (Being deaf)
xy
 
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