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Good morning all
Has anybody changed the top tyre on a Record Power BS400, the reason i ask is my top tyre shreaded itself and upon inspection noticed that there is another tyre underneath ie there was two tyres fitted to the top wheel, is this normal i can't imagine that they could have fitted a second tyre by mistake.
thanks in advance

Marty
 
Don't those things have pressed steel wheels?

If that's the case, I think the tyre is glued on, so this may have discouraged a previous owner from doing it properly.

Use the search on here (right hand side box): Some years back OllyPJ had a blade ping dramatically on his Record, and I think that damaged the top wheel's tyre. Anyway, he documented how he fitted a new one made of cork, and even crowned it successfully. I can't remember if it was the same model though.

I was really nervous changing tyres the first time on mine (they're in a trough around the rim), but having done it once before, it now doesn't bother me. I did the bottom one on my saw a few of weeks ago, and the blade flutter (and noise when idling) dramatically improved. But mine are presently rubber tyres and they do perish regularly (and it's a smaller saw and not a Record).

Anyway, if you can find Olly's thread it ought to help. And you really do need to clean up the wheel(s) first: the old rubbish left underneath will mess with the geometry, and randomly increase the diameter. This in turn will upset the tracking, guides, flutter, etc. (probably). If you do it properly, I'd expect a dramatic improvement in quality of cut, and ability to track blades properly, etc. It might also be worth changing the bearings at the same time - they are usually standard parts on the small saws (so cheaper and possibly better from specialist bearing suppliers on the net). It sounds like it wasn't well cared-for in a previous life. In my very limited experience, bandsaw TLC pays dividends in quality of cut, etc.

E.
 
Hi Eric
thanks for the reply. I have just had another look and the tyre that has shreaded was off the bottom wheel, because the remnants of the tyre emerged from the top of the machine i assumed it was the top tyre, I will order a new one from Record Power. by the way the wheels are cast iron.
Thanks for taking the time to post a reply
 
Find out what caused the shredding before fitting a new one. Could be a short lived repair.
 
Hi Bob
From what's left of the tyre there are some nicks right on the edge where the teeth of the blade would be, but these could have been caused when it came adrift, it appears some bits of the tyre are missing. Normally i have the gullets running centrally on the tyre but had an inch blade in at the time so the teeth were towards the edge of the tyre. Once i replace the tyre i'll run it in short bursts and check condition before cutting timber.

Marty
 
I have a Record bandsaw and when the top tyre perished, i looked to order a new one but couldn't believe how much they wanted for a bit of rubber. So being a tightwad, i had a search on the internet and read about people who just use masking tape wrapped around the wheel. I bought a roll of tape for a £1 (not masking tape) from a local shop and thought i'd have a go. What did i have to lose other than a pound? As it turned out, i lost nothing and 18 months later, it is still going strong. Will be changing the blade next week when my new one from Tuffsaws turns up, so i will check if all is still well.
 
Hi Steve
What sort of tape have you used, it did cross my mind to try a fabric tape that we used to use when making current transformers, then put some tape on top of that although not sure what type to use.
marty
 
Steve
Just come to mind we also used something called self-amalgamating tape which is like rubber but when stretched tight and overlapped it coalesces. might just give it a try.

Marty
 
The one i got was grey stuff, a bit like duct tape. Some people suggest friction tape. I just took a punt on one and it worked ok.
 
Does your saws actually run well with those quick fixes guys ...
Like, run well without any guides touching ?
I wish it were so easy on my machine

Have you priced any rubber tires atall?
Maybe eBay, or Scottandsargeant ?

Just another thought..
Did you try and piece back the tire on the wheel to see if the rubber shrank?
This can be a problem, another thread on someone's grizzly 20" bandsaw showed that the
rubber had shrank about 1" or more and had broken into a few parts !, so... it was no surprise it snapped.
The person was advised to use, I think CA (superglue), as this bonded the tire, and he tried stretching it again
over the wheel, but it snapped again.

Just a heads up if you need to buy two tires possibly, its worth checking and comparing
Who knows?, these wheels and tires might be made in different shops,
or it could be different batches of rubber used for either wheel.

Tom
 
DONT use self amalgamating tape. its too sticky and soft even when cured. it will mess up the blade before it falls apart.

I'm all for home made fixes, but to be honest, if the first try fails, then you have to try again, and again. i just couldnt be arsed for something thats easily available.
Just how much is "too much" for the tyres? How much did you spend on the saw? how much are the blades that might well be useless after the bodge fails?
But if you really want to be cheap;;;;; https://woodgears.ca/bandsaw/tires.html
 
Ttrees
Don't how successful it would just thought i might give it a try, I priced a new tyre from Bedford saw and tools at £30 i will call Record Power tomorrow to what their price is, the tyre from the top wheel snapped a few months ago i managed to fix that with CA and it's still ok now, but i think it would be wise to replace both now the bottom tyre has gone (came out in three pieces).
Bob
Thanks for the advice re self amalgamating tape. I would agree how many times do you try to bodge the job, but i can get the materials for free so thought one try and if it didn't work just bite the bullet and buy the real i am. Like you say in the big scheme of things compared with the cost of the saw and blades the price of replacing with the proper thing isn't too high.

Marty
 
It was Bedford Saws that i thought were charging too much for what is essentially a small bit of rubber. They also wanted a daft amount for a drive belt and i found one at a bearing company for about a third of their asking price. I don't mind paying for stuff but i hate to be ripped, so i decided to go with the stop gap measure to keep me going and was intending to order some urethane ones from the States via Ebay. The saw works fine, so i just left it. Not every cheap solution is a bodge.
 
Steve
I saw the urethane tyres that ship from the states which work out at £52.53 + import duties (if applicable) just didn't want to wait for delivery as i have a few jobs which need completing. Like you say if the cheap solution works and yours obviously does where's the harm.
Marty
 
Dont buy stuff like that from outside the EU. Import and vat raxes are due on everything over £35 value, That could almost double your final cost.

"Bodge" is a word that has been so corrupted over the years that it now means the opposite of what I used to.
A Bodger was once a person who could make things fit when original parts were impossible to obtain. And the "bodge" would be a high class repair. Now it means the worst of thrown together nastiness.

Are any of these suitable?
http://www.yandles.co.uk/tools-machines ... tyres/c761
 
Good morning Bob
I don't think of a bodge as a sub standard repair more of a non standard repair, it always gives a certain level of satisfaction when you accomplish such a repair.
Unfortunately the BS400 has 16" wheels so the Yandels ones won't fit, I'll have to call RP and see what they charge.

Marty
 
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