Security recomendations.

[Monkey Mark]

Hi all.

I'm looking for recommendations on garage door security.
We have an up and over door.
We were broken into last night. Its too late to save what we have lost but I'd like to try and prevent more going.

Any suggestions?

 

[mseries]

Just been researching that sort of thing myself. Came across these
http://www.lockshop-warehouse.co.uk/aca ... bolts.html not a recommendation from me though, not used them

and also you can get something that bolts to the floor outside the up & over door to prevent it moving

 

[DiscoStu]

Sorry to hear your news. Must feel dreadful. All I can say is to make sure you do improve things as often you'll be targeted again as:

1 They know how to get in
2 they know you're likely to have replaced all the stuff they nicked last time with shiny new stuff.

I personally would suggest an alarm might be sensible?

 

[Woodchips2]

This Squire lock http://www.screwfix.com/p/squire-garage-defender/79478 looks substantial.

Sorry to hear your news!

Regards Keith

 

[Dusty]

sorry to hear of your trouble , I can empathise with you . Luckily I have an alternative entry , so quarter of the way down on the inside I made two metal brackets , pressed 5mm steel in a z form that would hold a length of 40mm box section . I drop the box section in and it is impossible to open the door as the top wont tip in .

Hope this helps

cheers Dusty

 

[mseries]

sorry to hear of your trouble , I can empathise with you . Luckily I have an alternative entry , so quarter of the way down on the inside I made two metal brackets , pressed 5mm steel in a z form that would hold a length of 40mm box section . I drop the box section in and it is impossible to open the door as the top wont tip in .

Hope this helps

cheers Dusty

I have heard of scrotes bending the bottom corners up and crawling in, perhaps you need a bar lower down too

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I have heard of scrotes bending the bottom corners up and crawling in ...

I wouldn't wish to come in that close to my dog.
Seriously, I've SmartWatered everything I own worth more than about £20 and put their signs up, and put good quality dummy cameras up. We debated real cameras, but it's a bungalow so anyone with real intent would damage or cover them. You don't need to be invulnerable, but the onion skin approach is good - every little thing is another layer of apparent difficulty. Incidentally, my friend (a GP) says that a lot of the money has been stopped for drug rehab schemes so petty theft and housebreaking will go up again - so you need to make someone else's property more inviting. (75% of the crime in our area is reckoned to be drug related.)

 

[Monkey Mark]

Thanks for the comments.

One item has been been recovered at least.

Security has been improved now. A garage defender to stop the lower middle being pulled out. Reinforced door sides to hopefully prevent lower corners being pulled out. Bolts to at least hamper the top corners being pulled. When I get the chance something will be fabricated like mentioned above to prevent door tipping at the top.

My car was kissing the garage door too.

A friend of mine installs alarms and cctv so I'll speak to him today.

I think they'll be back. Too much in there that can be easily sold on.

On a positive note, knowing a police detective means a lot if people had their doors knocked on yesterday. I doubt the rest will be recovered, but that's what insurance is for I guess

 

[Eric The Viking]

The double garage is my workshop.

In several places, I've drilled through the bottom rail of the door, into the concrete by about 3". It takes seconds to drop M10 bolts through, preventing anyone from easily levering the door open without making a lot of noise. I know it's not foolproof, but it helps (you couldn't easily cut them because a hacksaw blade would just spin them).

I've also replaced the glass in all the windows with laminated, and fixed heavy rebar mesh across the frames covering the openings (4" square grid stuff, 8mm bar) and with lots of spiky bits where it was cut with a grinder. I also have sheets of black polythene bag hanging down as blinds so you can't see in.

 

[Monkey Mark]

Anyone have any experience with cctv systems?
I can't spend much on one but I know the cheap ones have terrible quality. Any recommendations?

 

[n0legs]

Anyone have any experience with cctv systems?
I can't spend much on one but I know the cheap ones have terrible quality. Any recommendations?

I have cctv in the shed and garden. I was given a brand new 4 camera system by the guy who did the BILs bodyshop.
It's a wired system in b&w and has it's own 12" monitor.
When the good lady did the house insurance last year the question of outbuildings came up and she explained the "shed" was a bit more than just a shed. Anyway they wanted extra security fitted and an alarm. Fitting the alarm was no problem for me, I won't go into detail here but I'll tell you more via pm if you have any questions.
The upside of me being me and doing what I do, I laid extra ducts down to the shed. So when this cctv came up install was easy.
It feeds to my lounge tv and bedroom tv, switch onto one of the AV channels and I can see whats going on. I record at the moment on vhs using the half speed record facility, I'm getting 8 hours of recording through the night and when we're away from home. I'm looking for an alternative but the video is working ok for now.

What I've been told is the wire free systems are good but can be beaten by clever crooks. The guy who made that statement said to ask the suppliers of these systems how their own cctv was running at their warehouses. He said the same about wire free alarms.

The BILs cctv has 4 cameras and records for about a year. It is searchable, sees in the dark, audio records and has internet connection allowing him to check in from home (or anywhere really) via phone, tablet etc.
It has a sim card so if the landline goes down it can ring out on the mobile network and can also be accessed from outside by him. It's a very clever system but it did cost loads.

Here's a photo I took on my phone of my tv switched to the cctv system.The photo was taken at night with the shed in darkness. I have IR lamps so the cameras can see in the dark.
The picture here isn't great but the real picture is very good.



Seeing as it was for free and only took a few hours for me to install I'm very happy, it does give me some piece of mind I hear a noise and reach for the tv remote, check all is ok then carry on with what we're doing.
If you can get it installed then I really recommend it.
I hope this helps.

 

[Eric The Viking]

I'm sure you're right about the majority of wireless systems: low output transmitters and a rather limited number of channels, and no redundancy in the links (for cheapness). I can think of one fairly straightforward way of rendering them 'blind' without touching them, simply by using a car battery (it's illegal, obviously, but then so is burglary). I've no doubt that whatever is available to thieves has been well tested.

Can you use one of the modern security PVRs with motion detection built in, to make the system run unattended?

A company I used to work for made them for some quite prestigious clients, but had to withdraw from that market as they're now cheaply available from the Far East. Basically they have a FIFO recording loop you can set, say between two and ten minutes long. Any trigger event dumps the loop to the permanent storage and keeps recording. You can usually define picture areas to trigger on, so, for example, you might make the areas of the door and windows sensitive in your image above.

I can't help with brands etc. but they're pretty common now, and I'm sure many still have analogue inputs.

E.

 

[n0legs]

Can you use one of the modern security PVRs with motion detection built in, to make the system run unattended?

I can't help with brands etc. but they're pretty common now, and I'm sure many still have analogue inputs.

E.

Hi Eric, yes that's the sort of thing I'm looking for. It's not a super priority at the moment but it would be nice to get one.
I've got a friend who is convinced he can get my old pvr/dvr working for it, I don't know how as all the ones I've ever seen only record from the DTV tuner and have no other inputs.
What I need is something that can take the AV/RCA type plug (yellow plugs) as an input.
If you can point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated

 

[woodpig]

I'm wondering what you expect of CCTV given recent comments by senior officers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... aries.html

 

[Phil Pascoe]

I've just read of a guy in court for threatening a bunch of young thugs with a stick - the police wouldn't do anything about the thugs even after being given CCTV footage identifying them stealing because it wasn't serious enough, but were happy to take the guy working in the filling station to court.

 

[Mark A]

I've just read of a guy in court for threatening a bunch of young thugs with a stick - the police wouldn't do anything about the thugs even after being given CCTV footage identifying them stealing because it wasn't serious enough, but were happy to take the guy working in the filling station to court.

Can't discriminate against the little darlings; they're from broken homes, after all.

Completely @rse about face, isn't it?

 

[n0legs]

I've just read of a guy in court for threatening a bunch of young thugs with a stick - the police wouldn't do anything about the thugs even after being given CCTV footage identifying them stealing because it wasn't serious enough, but were happy to take the guy working in the filling station to court.

Phil I'll be carefully editing any recorded tape before the law gets to see it :lol:

 

[Benchwayze]

I supplemented the weak lock on my old garage door by fixing an exterior bolt on each bottom corner, secured with two Yale locks. They were never interfered with that I could tell, and to do so would have been necessary to use bolt cutters, or to chisel away the brickwork, where I sank the bolts.

I had a new garage door about ten years ago, with as good a lock as you can find. When you lock the door, a bolt at each corner automatically engages and that is about as secure as up and over doors can be made from the outside. I also take the precaution of drawing my car right up to the door, so there ain't no room to open the garage door anyhow!

The other consideration is a door from the garage into your house, or secure back-yard, and to fit a beam across the garage door, on the inside. That would be the best precaution I could take, having an integral garage.

HTH

John