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I've only just discovered screwsinks and plug cutters.
seems like a good idea to me, but are they really useful?
Or is it one of those things you use once and forget where you put it?

And I'm a bit confused by the sizes.
If I was using screws 3 mm diameter with 6 mm wide head, what sizes would i need?
 
On things like your Adirondack chair plugged screws look a lot neater plus they help keep the weather off the fastenings and ensure that any rust staining will only occur deep within the timber so won't be visible. Personally I tend to go quite generous on sizing, so for a 6mm diameter screw head I'd use an 8mm plug.
 
I was a bit annoyed with plugging the chair slats.
Never having seen plug cutters before, all I had was 8 mm and 6 mm dowels. So I used a 6 mm brad point bit, went down 6 mm, then swapped to a 2 mm pilot hole, picking up on the brad point in the hole.
really proud of myself for taking so much care. Then i found the 6 mm dowels were only 5.5 diameter! Had to slather glue in there to take up the hole.
ANOTHER learning curve!
 
custard":1epr7jfg said:
On things like your Adirondack chair plugged screws look a lot neater plus they help keep the weather off the fastenings and ensure that any rust staining will only occur deep within the timber so won't be visible. Personally I tend to go quite generous on sizing, so for a 6mm diameter screw head I'd use an 8mm plug.

Agreed on weather resistance, but I rather like the way screws "punctuate" the design.

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BugBear
 
I've been using plugs for decades and if you are judicious about the choice of where you cut them from, you can get a near perfect grain match so they're close to invisible. I've always really liked them as a means of getting a decent fixing that effectively is hidden and yet is simple to achieve. It's a low tek, yet effective solution. Of course if used on a painted finish, once you've filled and painted, they are entirely invisible.

Very useful for fixing skirting to old houses with knackered powdery walls too :)
 
I use mine all the time, I've got a set but the majority of the time I just use a 10mm, so much so, that when I misplaced it (read hidden in pile of junk) I went and bought another one. I have a stash of about 100 pine plugs now, just in case. :) as said above, great for skirting, although I'm regretting it right now as I need to remove a piece to replace a board in a floating floor. whoops.
 
A strong magnet will help you find the screws.

Pete
 
If you are polishing your finished surface rather than painting it, you can save yourself some work if you look at the direction of the grain where the plug is broken out - unless you are very unlucky the grain will be running in the same direction on the bottom of the plug as on the top, so you can align the grain in the plugs with the grain in the work which makes finishing a lot easier because otherwise when the plug is shaved of with a chisel or a plane it can break away below the surface of the wood.
 
Pete Maddex":37mxjtil said:
A strong magnet will help you find the screws.

Pete

yarp, found and marked, going to dig out the 13mm cutter this evening and use bigger plugs. this job would have been so much easier if I hadn't done a good job in the first place. :D

thanks for the tip.
 
These are much used in boat building, the counterbore hole needs a nice sharp edge so I favour using an 8 or 10 mm Forster bit. ( the Axminster ones are very good) Your plug cutter should produce a plug with a slight taper for a tight fit.
 
Bob, the big thing about a plug cutter is being able to match the wood and the grain in the plug. When you screw stuff together, if you plug with a dowel, the grain will almost always be at right-angles to the direction you want, i.e. running into the surface rather than along it.

You might make a feature of that, for example by having raised plugs, but generally you want the fixings to disappear as much as possible. So using your own plug cutter, you can go for the best match (to the grain) you can find in the scrap you're cutting the plug from. and if you get it right in three dimensions, you can shave the end down so it's really almost invisible.

I find them most useful with something like a 2"x1" piece of scrap: perforate it lots, on both sides, with the plug cutter, then a couple of releasing rip cuts with the bandsaw. That gives me a bagful of plugs, and I can experiment to find good matches.

The only awkward bit is remembering that the outside end of the plug is the bit from inside the scrap piece it's cut from, close to the releasing bandsaw cut. So you can guess, but not actually see the grain that will be revealed until the plugs are loose, and the grain on the outsie of the scrap piece is only a rough guide to how the plugs will end up.

If you get the sort of cutter that makes a conical plug (four blades usually), remember to go deep enough. If I bottom my nominally 10mm cutter, the point where the plug is 10mm is about 8-9mm from the narrow end. you need a decent amount in the wood to get a good fixing for the plug. The wider end you trim off, obviously.

And those four-prong ones only really work with parallel faced stock in a pillar drill. I don't have any of the other type, but I believe they can be used in a hand-held drill.

Have a go - even with a cheap cutter (mine are all really cheap ones!), you should be pleasantly surprised.

E.
 
I plugged the SS screw heads on my oak outdoor bench glider.
It's about 8yrs old now and all the plugs are slightly proud due to differential shrinkage. They were made from the same batch of wood.
Some thing to be wary of.

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Rod
 
Harbo":28d150uv said:
I plugged the SS screw heads on my oak outdoor bench glider.
It's about 8yrs old now and all the plugs are slightly proud due to differential shrinkage. They were made from the same batch of wood.
Some thing to be wary of.

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Rod

That's a lovely glider bench, and noted about shrinkage.
 
Another problem that came to light after using the dowels as plugs... The dowel wood is darker than the redwood. It was very obvious even after painting with a blue wood stain.
the wood being screwed down is only 22mm to start with. If I counter bore 10 mm I'm running out of gripping area so need to keep it to about 6 or 8 mm at most.

I am gearing up to do the love seat now, and that must have a 100 plugs on it. I shall get to the only true woodworking tool shop on the island over the weekend and see if they have plug cutters. Failing that it will have to be ebay.
 
Bob. Is it the issue of posting from a supplier that's a problem? I've read enough of your postage traumas to know it's an issue but is it supplier led, Cyprus side led or a bit of both? I'm more than happy to get small stuff like this sent here (to mine) and I will forward it. Just not sure if it will help fella. Also I'm not Yodel so I won't be able to slash the packaging, kick the box to bits, lose it for a while then throw it into next doors garden and leave a note. Not from here anyway. And if I'm frantic as is often the case it might take me a few days to get to the PO.
Cheers
Chris
 
Chris, thanks for the offer to help but its not needed.
I still have family in the UK who can send stuff on, its an "aggravation" thing mostly.
I can get almost any industrial or trade stuff here, in fact it surprised me how much is available.
But there is no hobby industry as cypriots dont have hobbies. They work untill they are no longer able (I worked here for 6 years before retiring and had many work collegues well into their 70's), and then sit in the coffee shops and watch the world go by.
The ex-pats (in general) are retired and are happy to sit in the pubs all day long and watch the world go by.
I'm a "cant sit still to save my life" and a "i know what I want and I want it NOW" kind of person so the down time between realising I want something and it actually surviving our postal system to get to me is the main culprit.

I return to the UK normally once a year and my daughter knows when I'm coming because of all the small packages that start arriving on her doorstep.
 
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