Wow, the unplugged woodworker did a review on the Pax rip saw.....not good
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Pax saw review
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That's a very old review fwiw. The review itself is not dated (should be) but the comments are. The review was from 2008 based on the dates of the comments.
Bod
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That review is 7 years old.
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Biliphuster
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I have a Pax 20" panel saw which I like a lot, though I have never taken the handle off. Came beautifully sharp and whilst the handle is not ideal it does not bother me enough to make a new one.
Sheffield Tony
Ghost of the disenchanted
I just read the review - strange. He says the saw was sharp and cut well. His other problems were largely self inflicted by his attempts to change the handle. I always thought that taking the handle off a saw was something to avoid if possible, not something expected to be quick and easy. If you are willing to make a replacement handle, and you hate the original so much, is breaking it during removal and rubbing off a few burs so big a deal ?
Golly, I hadn't noticed the date, I'd assumed it was new. I typed in Pax saw on Google and it came up 4th after the paid for places at the top of the page. I appreciate it being highlighted that it was written in 2008, I'm considering buying their Dovetail saw and was looking for reviews of their saws in general.
graween
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Hi,
I also own two 28'' Pax Saws (rip and cross cut) and I'm satisfy with them.
Worht to mention, the company provides good service.
I read Tom Fidgen's review a long time ago (before my purchase), and noted he says the saw cut well, and that he was only unhappy with the handle.
I agree they could be better. In my opinion you should tweak the handle with rasps, as a first try. Though untill now I did not bother to do it, since I'm not a pro.
To me they're of good value for the price. Especially they are straight which is not always the case for old ones. Other brands that are new are more expensive.
Sorry I can't help you for dovetails (I own a Veritas for that), but they might be as good as the one that I have. Also they have different range of saws.
Regards
I also own two 28'' Pax Saws (rip and cross cut) and I'm satisfy with them.
Worht to mention, the company provides good service.
I read Tom Fidgen's review a long time ago (before my purchase), and noted he says the saw cut well, and that he was only unhappy with the handle.
I agree they could be better. In my opinion you should tweak the handle with rasps, as a first try. Though untill now I did not bother to do it, since I'm not a pro.
To me they're of good value for the price. Especially they are straight which is not always the case for old ones. Other brands that are new are more expensive.
Sorry I can't help you for dovetails (I own a Veritas for that), but they might be as good as the one that I have. Also they have different range of saws.
Regards
Tony Zaffuto
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My opinion is the whole article is summed up at the end, referencing one of the most vocal US tool "reviewers" and US boutique saw makers. The writer of the review did not want to "like" the saw, but wanted to play to a few pundits. Our hobby/profession does not need this.
Pax makes excellent tools (I have a 14" sash saw that I have mentioned here previously) at cheap prices (relative to the boutique makers that may look fancier, but cut no better). So the handle needed splitting off! Wasn't that goomer making a new handle anyhow? Finally, too many forget that soon all saws (and other tools) need sharpened.
The blogs, and some forums do no one any good with some of the cheerleading that occurs.
Pax makes excellent tools (I have a 14" sash saw that I have mentioned here previously) at cheap prices (relative to the boutique makers that may look fancier, but cut no better). So the handle needed splitting off! Wasn't that goomer making a new handle anyhow? Finally, too many forget that soon all saws (and other tools) need sharpened.
The blogs, and some forums do no one any good with some of the cheerleading that occurs.
Sorry but if that's his new improved handle. . . . I wouldn't have bothered! It's just easier to reshape the handle that comes with the saw. OK you may be limited to what can be done but it's nearly always possible to get it to feel more comfortable in the hand. It may not have all the twiddly bits but that's very much a secondary consideration. At least it should be.
Fat ferret
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The guy is making furniture for people by hand! I get to make the odd table or bookcase but by and large people don't want to pay you for the time it takes to make furniture by machine.
The saws look ok but if people want a new re-sharpenable saw with a plain handle why not just get a spear and Jackson? Good saws and I use mine most days. My new one was £25 and there are lots of them out there very slightly second hand. The same configuration from Pax is more than 3 x that price.
The saws look ok but if people want a new re-sharpenable saw with a plain handle why not just get a spear and Jackson? Good saws and I use mine most days. My new one was £25 and there are lots of them out there very slightly second hand. The same configuration from Pax is more than 3 x that price.
I have a Spear & Jackson 10 pt. panel saw, a recent make with the riveted on handle, and it's one of the best-cutting saws I've ever had. It's a resharpenable traditional Western crosscut saw. Couldn't be happier. I think it cost me $30 on EBay including shipping from the UK. It was a steal.
Making a decent saw at a decent price isn't akin to brain surgery. They've been around for quite a while. The wheel does not need to be reinvented.
The handle is comfortable too. I've sawed enough wood at a session to have gotten a massive blister if one was to be imparted. Didn't even get a hot spot.
Making a decent saw at a decent price isn't akin to brain surgery. They've been around for quite a while. The wheel does not need to be reinvented.
The handle is comfortable too. I've sawed enough wood at a session to have gotten a massive blister if one was to be imparted. Didn't even get a hot spot.
I just think that British woodworkers have an obligation to try and buy British wherever the quality and price balance allows. Far too much of what I get in my in-box and see on the net / you tube is quite aggressively marketed and endorsed US and Canadian goods. Of course people can buy what they chose but would hope all Brits try to lean towards British goods first. *steps off soap-box.....
Presh":3ghf49yc said:
Couldn't agree more, Presh. With power tools, we don't get the choice, but with my large hand too collection, almost everything is 'Made in Sheffield'. This comes as a surprise to many - especially when I go on to explain that despite the moribund state of British manufacturing in general, top quality woodworking tools are still being made in Yorkshire. Long may it continue.
By the way, a couple of years ago I treated myself to a Pax 1776 tenon saw. Following some very minor adaptation of the handle, very nice indeed. Not cheap; but then, it's easily going to last the rest of my life and then be useful to someone else afterwards.
woodbrains
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Hello,
The Pax 1776 back saws are wonderful, actually. I don't think there could be any reasonable improvement that could be made, that isn't cosmetic, and a woodworker incapable of modifying the elm handle on these saws to their own preference should look for another pastime! Britain still makes great hand tools.
Mike.
The Pax 1776 back saws are wonderful, actually. I don't think there could be any reasonable improvement that could be made, that isn't cosmetic, and a woodworker incapable of modifying the elm handle on these saws to their own preference should look for another pastime! Britain still makes great hand tools.
Mike.
Tony Zaffuto
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Another vote (and another satisfied owner of a 1776!). The saws are as good as any of the current selection available in the states. If by chance someone doesn't like the handle, simple shaping will take care of that in short order (did that with mine), also after reshaping, boiled linseed oil blended into the existing finish perfectly, so that the handle didn't look altered at all.
Fat ferret
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Was hoping to point out the s and j saw was British made but s and j's website says "to cut costs we have some manufacturing processes outsourced to asia," which means "made in china!"
Probably just as well as I wouldn't pay £75 for a handsaw.
Probably just as well as I wouldn't pay £75 for a handsaw.
richarddownunder
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Hi
I read that review as well and was a bit surprised as I have about half a dozen Pax saws of various sizes and have found them all very good - although I'm no expert when compared with some on this site. My most recent Pax 1776 dovetail saw from Peter Sefton is a lovely saw to use, it makes a very fine cut and goes exactly where I point it. The Pax panel saw is also very nice and shows none of the problems pointed out in the review...I took it apart to check. Whether you like the shape of the panel saw handle is up to the individual, but I think its ok. The 1776 handle is great.
I have been restoring few old Spears and Jackson Tenon saws - I don't know much about the new ones except all S&J manufacturing is in China as far as i know, its not a British company any more. These old saws are very nice and if you can find a good example they are probably as good as the Pax. However, I haven't found one with fine enough teeth for dovetails here in NZ. None of my restored efforts make as fine a cut as the Pax. The Thomas Flinn site sells a 20 tpi as a dovetail and a 15 tpi as a Tenon saw. From what I have been told (there is an earlier thread on the 'best' dovetail saw) and from my limited experience making jewellery boxes etc, the 15 tpi is perfectly good for dovetails and I believe is a lot easier to sharpen.
If you are after a cheaper UK-made saw, I think (but haven't seen them 1st hand) that Footprint and Crown saws are still made in the UK. They are, from other comments on this site, good value.
Hope that is of use.
Cheers
Richard
I read that review as well and was a bit surprised as I have about half a dozen Pax saws of various sizes and have found them all very good - although I'm no expert when compared with some on this site. My most recent Pax 1776 dovetail saw from Peter Sefton is a lovely saw to use, it makes a very fine cut and goes exactly where I point it. The Pax panel saw is also very nice and shows none of the problems pointed out in the review...I took it apart to check. Whether you like the shape of the panel saw handle is up to the individual, but I think its ok. The 1776 handle is great.
I have been restoring few old Spears and Jackson Tenon saws - I don't know much about the new ones except all S&J manufacturing is in China as far as i know, its not a British company any more. These old saws are very nice and if you can find a good example they are probably as good as the Pax. However, I haven't found one with fine enough teeth for dovetails here in NZ. None of my restored efforts make as fine a cut as the Pax. The Thomas Flinn site sells a 20 tpi as a dovetail and a 15 tpi as a Tenon saw. From what I have been told (there is an earlier thread on the 'best' dovetail saw) and from my limited experience making jewellery boxes etc, the 15 tpi is perfectly good for dovetails and I believe is a lot easier to sharpen.
If you are after a cheaper UK-made saw, I think (but haven't seen them 1st hand) that Footprint and Crown saws are still made in the UK. They are, from other comments on this site, good value.
Hope that is of use.
Cheers
Richard
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Sheffield Tony
Ghost of the disenchanted
I think the Crown and Footprint saws are also made by Thomas Flinn. They wouldn't say when I asked, but since they are Sheffield's last hand saw maker it is a safe bet. And they look very like they are from the same stable.
woodbrains
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Sheffield Tony":3gnkfs1t said:
Hello,
I think they are made by Atkinson Walker. I have a footprint and Atkinson Walker tenon saws, and the blades look identical to me. The Footprint handles are not lovely, but the blade is OK. Of course Flynn could make tha Atkinson Walker too!
http://www.atkinson-walker-saws.co.uk
Mike.
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