#4 1/2 Smoother - LN vs Clifton...

[Paul Chapman]

For what it's worth Aled, I sold most of my LN planes and went with Cliftons instead.

...but what you didn't say Paul, is that it was the collectors special edition(s!) that you went for :-" :-" :lol: :lol: - Rob

And very nice they are, too 8)

Cheers :wink:

Paul

 

[paulm]

Well, I wasn't going to mention it but as others brought it up :-"

Cheers, Paul

 

[Racers]

I think that graffiti would come off with some wet and dry :wink:

Pete

 

[Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)]

I think that graffiti would come off with some wet and dry :wink:

Pete

As soon as you lap them square. :lol:

Ah Aled .. you didn't say. They are nice.

No #4 1/2 in this series?

Regards from Perth

Derek

 

[paulm]

I think that graffiti would come off with some wet and dry :wink:

Pete

You're a bad, bad person :lol: :lol:

 

[JohnCee]

It's a shame LN are no longer available with cocobolo handles. They were very pretty.

 

[woodbloke]

I think that graffiti would come off with some wet and dry :wink:

Pete

You're a bad, bad person :lol: :lol:

...or a 10" turnip file (hammer)...or maybe an angle grinder would be easier. Need some goggles though (tap, tap) :lol: :lol: - Rob

 

[Aled Dafis]

Hi Aled

Just for reference, the Clifton #4 1/2 blade works beautifully with the LN #4 1/2 (I know!).

Now if you are to get the LN, I would recommend the 55 frog as well. This is the advantage of LN over Clifton - you get a choice of frogs. The LN would then be a go-to plane for interlocked grain (especially since you are selling the LAJ ... why?).

I find mine moves quite sweetly with a scribble of candle wax on the sole.

Here are my two LNs, #4 1/2 and #3 ..

Not the ultimate performers that the LV BU planes are, but very nice to use (and preferred when I just want to freehand sharpen and not use a honing guide with the BU planes).

I've found almost every A2 iron I've used to be a bit of a pain to sharpen ...

When I read comments like this I can only assume that someone is using the wrong media. A2 sharpens up almost as easily - perhaps as easily - as O1 when using waterstones such as Shaptons. They get as sharp then and hold the edge significantly longer.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Thanks for that Derek, I'm pretty much set on getting a plane directly from LN now, it's just a case of which frog to choose. Bearing in mind that my Cliftons work superbly on the woods I usually use (ash, oak, sycamore and maybe a little walnut) I think that I might just go for the 50 degree frog, 55 seems a bit extreme for my use. I'm still not quite sure, I'll mull it over for a couple of days and see where I get to.

As regards the O1/A2 issue, I think that it's pretty much a personal thing, I have nothing against otheres using A2, it's just not for me. :wink:

Cheers
Aled

 

[Aled Dafis]

Well, I wasn't going to mention it but as others brought it up :-"

Cheers, Paul

Hmmm Droooooool!!! Very nice indeed, I wish that they would move over to walnut handles permanently.

I considered buying one, but again the "voice of reason" stepped in - damn that "voice of reason"!!

Cheers
Aled

 

[ali27]

Hi Aled

Just for reference, the Clifton #4 1/2 blade works beautifully with the LN #4 1/2 (I know!).

Now if you are to get the LN, I would recommend the 55 frog as well. This is the advantage of LN over Clifton - you get a choice of frogs. The LN would then be a go-to plane for interlocked grain (especially since you are selling the LAJ ... why?).

I find mine moves quite sweetly with a scribble of candle wax on the sole.

Here are my two LNs, #4 1/2 and #3 ..

Not the ultimate performers that the LV BU planes are, but very nice to use (and preferred when I just want to freehand sharpen and not use a honing guide with the BU planes).

I've found almost every A2 iron I've used to be a bit of a pain to sharpen ...

When I read comments like this I can only assume that someone is using the wrong media. A2 sharpens up almost as easily - perhaps as easily - as O1 when using waterstones such as Shaptons. They get as sharp then and hold the edge significantly longer.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Thanks for that Derek, I'm pretty much set on getting a plane directly from LN now, it's just a case of which frog to choose. Bearing in mind that my Cliftons work superbly on the woods I usually use (ash, oak, sycamore and maybe a little walnut) I think that I might just go for the 50 degree frog, 55 seems a bit extreme for my use. I'm still not quite sure, I'll mull it over for a couple of days and see where I get to.

As regards the O1/A2 issue, I think that it's pretty much a personal thing, I have nothing against otheres using A2, it's just not for me. :wink:

Cheers
Aled

Why not just buy an extra blade and sharpen it with a 5-15 degrees backbevel?
Changing blades is much easier than changing frogs. A thick QS blade costs about
20 pounds, much cheaper than a LN frog.

Ali

 

[Aled Dafis]

Why not just buy an extra blade and sharpen it with a 5-15 degrees backbevel?
Changing blades is much easier than changing frogs. A thick QS blade costs about
20 pounds, much cheaper than a LN frog.

Ali

That idea came to me today, and is probably the one I'll go for. I've been meaning to find an excuse to try out the Quansheng irons for a while, so I might get one for my abuseable Stanley 4 1/2 and take it from there.

That's it, decision made, LN 4 1/2 with 50 degree frog and O1 iron directly from LN. (which is pretty much what I knew I would buy, but thanks all the same for helping me make my mind up)

Cheers
Aled

 

[Blister]

none of these any good Aled

http://www.holteyplanes.com/infill-planes-A13.html

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[Aled Dafis]

Yes they are very good, but given the budget, I'd probably go for a couple of these.

http://sauerandsteiner.blogspot.co.uk/

Cheers
Aled

 

[woodbloke]

Yes they are very good, but given the budget, I'd probably go for a couple of these.

http://sauerandsteiner.blogspot.co.uk/

Cheers
Aled

They obviously pay teachers far too much these days! :lol: ...didn't happen when I was at the 'chalkface' (or should that be whiteboard face now?)...I had to rough it with me Norris panel plane :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: - Rob

 

[Aled Dafis]

Yes they are very good, but given the budget, I'd probably go for a couple of these.

http://sauerandsteiner.blogspot.co.uk/

Cheers
Aled

They obviously pay teachers far too much these days! :lol: ...didn't happen when I was at the 'chalkface' (or should that be whiteboard face now?)...I had to rough it with me Norris panel plane :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: - Rob

I did say "given the budget" :wink:

 

[woodbloke]

I did say "given the budget" :wink:

Ahh...the subtlety of the language, so the piggy-bank needs to be upended and given a good shake? :lol: - Rob

 

[dr.nick]

I have a hundred yr. old Stanley 4-1/2. I bought it for $70. It needed some work when I first got it, But the thing works beautifully. Aside from upgrading the iron, I can't see replacing it with a plane that costs so much more. Why would you need to? am I missing something?

 

[Harbo]

Not if you are happy with it ?

 

[JohnCee]

I have a hundred yr. old Stanley 4-1/2. I bought it for $70. It needed some work when I first got it, But the thing works beautifully. Aside from upgrading the iron, I can't see replacing it with a plane that costs so much more. Why would you need to? am I missing something?

The extra weight of a clifton or lie nielsen can be quite addictive (or a PITA depending on your POV :shock: )

 

[matthewwh]

If it's a hundred years old it's probably made to similar specifications as the modern top end planes and will work beautifully. Also quite possibly worth a bit more than $70 now so an investment as well as a good tool.

If it were less than 70 years old the story is not quite so rosy.

I would guess that the original purchase price for yours was a bigger percentage of a contemporary working man's monthly earnings than the modern equivalent.