World Cup - Fans and fanatics thread.

[ByronBlack]

Usual turgid display from the overhyped 'golden generation'. It didn't work a decade ago, and it doesn't work now (Lampard/Gerrard/Heskey).

On that form we won't get past the qualifying round. Nothing that I didn't expect though.

 

[Mike.C]

Usual turgid display from the overhyped 'golden generation'. It didn't work a decade ago, and it doesn't work now (Lampard/Gerrard/Heskey).

On that form we won't get past the qualifying round. Nothing that I didn't expect though.

IMHO the most disappointing player on the field was Rooney.

Cheers

Mike

 

[WoodAddict]

USA was always going to be a tough opener. We showed lots of good points. I hope he doesn't drop Green because of one mistake. He's still the same keeper he was earlier today when it was decided he was the best from the 3.

No win but not a loss so it's not all bad. Roll on Friday! 8)

 

[head clansman]

HI

for me the finals got to be HOLLAND ENGLAND


S o i can go to the street party in Holland just to see the look of horror on my son in laws face as we drive the winning ball into the back of there net , please don't wake me up i only get to dream like this every four years :lol: :lol: hc


COME ON ENGLAND

 

[Lons]

No, wait! He joined Newcastle, didn't he!! That clubs a curse for just about every player. It's like crash landing on the LOST island! James Milner is only one of only a small handful of players (Shay Given being the other) to have joined and left them without harming his career. Obafemi Martins, Geremi, Mark Viduka, Michael Owen, Stephen Carr, Celestine Babayaro... (A few of the more recent names I can remember) They were all pretty good - until they joined Newcastle! Where are they now???

Hi Olly

I don't want to hijack the thread but.............. I can't let that pass without comment and I guess that's exactly the response you're looking for :roll: so I'll rise to the bait.

As a NUFC supporter Olly, I find that sweeping statement to be not just inaccurate but more than a little OTT. But I guess you would be an expert on our club from your base in Somerset :?:
I don't wear the tinted glasses of many of our supporters and am fully aware of the clubs' shortcomings but the "loyal" players who play with their hearts and not just for the cash which many joined us for have shown their mettle last season.

The players mentioned with the exception of Stephen Carr were sold by our "cockney mafia" owner to either cash in (Given & Milner) or to rid the club of astronomical wages in the face of relegation. Some of course jumped ship having put us in that position, and your comment on Alan Smith does him an injustice. His career took a nosedive when he joined MUFC - he plays very well for us thank you. :shock:

All of the players you mention are talented - the reason for any of them now underperforming is down to themselves and the clubs they are now employed by.


I've no intention of escalating this into an argument Olly, football is as emotive as religion and politics and I'm surprised it's allowed on the forum - but in "footy speak" - you're talking out of your **** :lol: :lol:

Regards

Bob

 

[Mike.C]

Lons wrote;

"cockney mafia" owner

Bob I was going to agree with you until you took the cockney name in vain, now you can pipper off and fight your own battles and leave us cockneys out of it :lol:

Cheers

Mike

 

[TrimTheKing]

IMHO the most disappointing player on the field was Rooney.

I'm a United fan so bound to be a bit biased, but he hardly saw the ball, and you can't shine without that!

Something wasn't right last night, Rooney was consistently behind Heskey playing deep. All season at United has been told to be the furthest player up the pitch and let the others do the supplying. Makes no sense to me to take a player who has been scoring goals in a specific formation all season and play him in a different position in a tournament where he only has a few shorts occasions ot have an effect.

Bad tactics IMO, and a lack of genuine quality, but the comments around 'same old turgid players' and 'golden generation' are a constant puzzle to me. Can anyone name me a bunch of better players that should be there?

Carlton Cole - Can do a similar job to Heskey but don't be fooled into thinking he would provide the same but add goals, he wouldn't - Distinctly average!
Bobby Zamora - Form of his career but speak to any Fulham fans (and I know 4 die hards who go home and away) and they will still tell you that he needs 6-7 chances to get a goal - Distinctly average!
Joe Cole - should be a starter on the left every time for my money! Most skillful player England have, andmost likely to create for us. I hope to god Fergie is talking to his agents now as i would love to see him in a United shirt next season.
SWP - All my City mates say the same - all fart and no dung (no end product). Not good enough.
James Milner - Good player, but not as effective as Cole on the left, and no better that Gerrard/Lampard in the middle. Good impact substitute.
Michael Carrick - Has lost something this season. Defensively not as good as he has been, and his creative spark has gone. Not good enough.
Gareth Barry - Potentially good player, creative and defensive when needed, but only half fit so can;t be relied on.
Owen Hargreaves - Would be in there (for me) if he was fit but definite no no having missed a year of football. Shame as he would allow us to play Lamps/Hargreaves with rooney/Gerrard up front and give us cover on all the bases.

All in all, say what you want about the players who are there but the simple fact is that they ARE the best we have, so the manager HAS to pick them!

 

[Mike.C]

IMHO the most disappointing player on the field was Rooney.

I'm a United fan so bound to be a bit biased, but he hardly saw the ball, and you can't shine without that!

Something wasn't right last night, Rooney was consistently behind Heskey playing deep. All season at United has been told to be the furthest player up the pitch and let the others do the supplying. Makes no sense to me to take a player who has been scoring goals in a specific formation all season and play him in a different position in a tournament where he only has a few shorts occasions ot have an effect.

Bad tactics IMO, and a lack of genuine quality, but the comments around 'same old turgid players' and 'golden generation' are a constant puzzle to me. Can anyone name me a bunch of better players that should be there?

Carlton Cole - Can do a similar job to Heskey but don't be fooled into thinking he would provide the same but add goals, he wouldn't - Distinctly average!
Bobby Zamora - Form of his career but speak to any Fulham fans (and I know 4 die hards who go home and away) and they will still tell you that he needs 6-7 chances to get a goal - Distinctly average!
Joe Cole - should be a starter on the left every time for my money! Most skillful player England have, andmost likely to create for us. I hope to god Fergie is talking to his agents now as i would love to see him in a United shirt next season.
SWP - All my City mates say the same - all fart and no dung (no end product). Not good enough.
James Milner - Good player, but not as effective as Cole on the left, and no better that Gerrard/Lampard in the middle. Good impact substitute.
Michael Carrick - Has lost something this season. Defensively not as good as he has been, and his creative spark has gone. Not good enough.
Gareth Barry - Potentially good player, creative and defensive when needed, but only half fit so can;t be relied on.
Owen Hargreaves - Would be in there (for me) if he was fit but definite no no having missed a year of football. Shame as he would allow us to play Lamps/Hargreaves with rooney/Gerrard up front and give us cover on all the bases.

All in all, say what you want about the players who are there but the simple fact is that they ARE the best we have, so the manager HAS to pick them!

Trim I have commited one sin that I HATE ABOUT NEWSPAPERS and that is build a player up, pin all your hopes on him, and then if he has an off day, or as you say is not fed the ball, shoot him down in the flames the day. I was so disappointed in the draw that I do as they do and blame someone.

As you say he was not as forward as Heskey but I took this to be Heskey making more of an effort, but maybe he was told to let Heskey go forward. While on the subject of Heskey surely I cannot be the only one who thought he played all right? In fact he was one of the better England players.

The one thing that no one should do is blame Green for the draw. Some of the greatest goal keepers have made mistakes in international games. The Cat Peter Bonetti, and the greastest English goal keeper of all time Gordon Banks have had their moments. Although Banks will be remembered for that superman save from Pele in the 1970 world cup.

Cheers

Mike

 

[TrimTheKing]

Trim I have commited one sin that I HATE ABOUT NEWSPAPERS and that is build a player up, pin all your hopes on him, and then if he has an off day, or as you say is not fed the ball, shoot him down in the flames the day. I was so disappointed in the draw that I do as they do and blame someone.

As you say he was not as forward as Heskey but I took this to be Heskey making more of an effort, but maybe he was told to let Heskey go forward. While on the subject of Heskey surely I cannot be the only one who thought he played all right? In fact he was one of the better England players.

The one thing that no one should do is blame Green for the draw. Some of the greatest goal keepers have made mistakes in international games. The Cat Peter Bonetti, and the greastest English goal keeper of all time Gordon Banks have had their moments. Although Banks will be remembered for that superman save from Pele in the 1970 world cup.

Cheers

Mike

I agree mate, I thought Heskey was one of our best performers on the night. I don't agree with general consensus that a player should be in there just because he can bring others in, for me he needs to be able to contribute more, but on the basis that he is in there then I will give him my support, and last night he didn't do much wrong. And when he does get it right, he is a great foil for Rooney's skills.

Regrading whether it was effort or tactics I don't know, but Rooney is all about effort so I have to believe that it was team orders for them to play like that otherwise I would expect to see Rooney sitting on the shoulder or the centre half waiting for the ball to be fed in front of him, but he was way too deep for that.

Hopefully they will get it right next time and have rooney playing more the way he does for United, bullying the CH's and waiting for the ball to be fed in for him to run onto, and not dropping deep to be the creator for a striker who with the best will in the world, isn't good enough at scoring goals for us to be pinning our hopes on him. Let Heskey hold it up, lay it off to Gerrard/Lampard and let them feed Rooney and I think we will be a different team.

It was a poor piece of goalkeeping and there's no arguing that. The ball didn't move at all, he should have had his body behind it, but we should have scored more goals and that is what cost us.

On the bright side I think we will only improve from this...

 

[Mike.C]

Trim I have commited one sin that I HATE ABOUT NEWSPAPERS and that is build a player up, pin all your hopes on him, and then if he has an off day, or as you say is not fed the ball, shoot him down in the flames the day. I was so disappointed in the draw that I do as they do and blame someone.

As you say he was not as forward as Heskey but I took this to be Heskey making more of an effort, but maybe he was told to let Heskey go forward. While on the subject of Heskey surely I cannot be the only one who thought he played all right? In fact he was one of the better England players.

The one thing that no one should do is blame Green for the draw. Some of the greatest goal keepers have made mistakes in international games. The Cat Peter Bonetti, and the greatest English goal keeper of all time Gordon Banks have had their moments. Although Banks will be remembered for that superman save from Pele in the 1970 world cup.

Cheers

Mike

I agree mate, I thought Heskey was one of our best performers on the night. I don't agree with general consensus that a player should be in there just because he can bring others in, for me he needs to be able to contribute more, but on the basis that he is in there then I will give him my support, and last night he didn't do much wrong. And when he does get it right, he is a great foil for Rooney's skills.

Regrading whether it was effort or tactics I don't know, but Rooney is all about effort so I have to believe that it was team orders for them to play like that otherwise I would expect to see Rooney sitting on the shoulder or the centre half waiting for the ball to be fed in front of him, but he was way too deep for that.

Hopefully they will get it right next time and have rooney playing more the way he does for United, bullying the CH's and waiting for the ball to be fed in for him to run onto, and not dropping deep to be the creator for a striker who with the best will in the world, isn't good enough at scoring goals for us to be pinning our hopes on him. Let Heskey hold it up, lay it off to Gerrard/Lampard and let them feed Rooney and I think we will be a different team.

It was a poor piece of goalkeeping and there's no arguing that. The ball didn't move at all, he should have had his body behind it, but we should have scored more goals and that is what cost us.

On the bright side I think we will only improve from this...

We better improve, because can you imagine the headlines if Slovenia kept their place at the top of the league and won the group

If we finish runners up in the group we will meet Germany in the last 16, but if we win it we will have a good chance of playing Serbia who I am sure will be runners up in group D :roll:

It's bleeding nerve racking for us, so you can imagine how the team feel, especially Green who upon waking up this morning I am sure hoped that yesterday was just a dream :shock:

Bad goalkeeping or just a stupid lack of concentration if I was the manager he would still be playing in the next game :wink:

EDIT: Scratch that 1.0 to Ghana, will Serbia still be runners up? I think so if they stop giving away stupid penalties like that :roll:

Cheers

Mike

 

[head clansman]

hi guys

JMHO peter crouch, as ever , was not on in the game long enough should have come on earlier or better still right at the beginning, been a different final score then . hc :roll:

 

[ByronBlack]

Germans looking amazing, their service to the strikers is brilliant. The play with a real shape, proper movement, patient build up, everything that we are unable to do - and this is with half of their team as their second choices.

 

[Lons]

Lons wrote;

"cockney mafia" owner

Bob I was going to agree with you until you took the cockney name in vain, now you can pipper off and fight your own battles and leave us cockneys out of it :lol:

Cheers

Mike

:lol: :lol: :lol: Didn't mean to offend any Cockneys out there, my appologies young sir

My comment was aimed squarely at Mr Michael Ashley ESQ. whos' activities and decisions have been strange to say the least.

Who in their right mind appoints a gambling casino manager as MD of a premier football club ffs ?
And his dodgy dealings with Sports Direct are under serious investigation!

He is even worse than our previous chairman who I'm sure was Geordie mafia and I never thought I would say that

Anyway - COME ON YOU ENGLAND !!!!!!!

Bob

 

[Mike.C]

Lons wrote;

"cockney mafia" owner

Bob I was going to agree with you until you took the cockney name in vain, now you can pipper off and fight your own battles and leave us cockneys out of it :lol:

Cheers

Mike

:lol: :lol: :lol: Didn't mean to offend any Cockneys out there, my appologies young sir

My comment was aimed squarely at Mr Michael Ashley ESQ. whos' activities and decisions have been strange to say the least.

Who in their right mind appoints a gambling casino manager as MD of a premier football club ffs ?
And his dodgy dealings with Sports Direct are under serious investigation!

He is even worse than our previous chairman who I'm sure was Geordie mafia and I never thought I would say that

Anyway - COME ON YOU ENGLAND !!!!!!!

Bob

Hi Bob,

No offence taken mate :lol: In fact I found it quite funny :lol: , because the cockneys have been called many things but never the mafia :lol:

I must admit that there has been some strange goings on at Newcastle, but it's not only them, just look at Liverpool and poor Pompey. I think that some muppets get involved with these clubs for a fast buck, and pipper the state of the club when they leave :twisted:

Cheers

Mike

 

[Mike.C]

Who thinks that the ref's are a bit handy with the yellow and red cards so far?

One thing I am sure of is that Cahill should never have been sent off. Alright the Germans were in another world compared to the aussies. but that really spoilt the game for me.

Cheers

Mike

 

[ByronBlack]

Who thinks that the ref's are a bit handy with the yellow and red cards so far?

One thing I am sure of is that Cahill should never have been sent off. Alright the Germans were in another world compared to the aussies. but that really spoilt the game for me.

Cheers

Mike

The aussies could have 20 players on the pitch and they would still be torn to shreds, the germans are simple awesome - thats what happen when you play eager young talent as opposed to old hasbeens like our guys.

 

[head clansman]

hi

they were good :evil: , really bloody good, :evil: :evil: the Germans are going to be a force to be reckoned with this time round :evil: mores the pity . hc

 

[andycktm]

I feel sorry for the genuine footy fans,its painfull to see England flop as a non footy fan
And you know........ the pain is gona come ,sure as the sun rises

 

[WoodAddict]

This happens every single tournament! Why are people writing England off already! They drew, yes it wasn't the best performance but it wasn't all bad and they didn't lose. They will win both of the remaining group games and then it's a simple knock-out tournament and ANYTHING can happen!

COME ON ENGLAND!

Lets just hope that the players haven't given up like all of the so-called fans and the media seem to have! When it comes to sport we seem to be the most pessimistic country in the world. We've got the same chance from here as we had at the start!

Where has all of the support disappeared too?

 

[Gary]

COME ON ENGLAND!

Don't worry they'll be home soon. :lol: