What is the best way to use an 85mm Forstner bit?

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Hello, I intend to make wine racks out of reclaimed solid wood. I am currently working on a keel block made of solid oak. What I need to know is what is the quickest, safest and most effective way of boring 85mm deep holes that will produce a wine rack. I have purchased a Colt 85mm maxicut forstner bit. Will this work in a drill press boring holes in uneven wood? Should I use a different method of boring these holes, hole saw, handheld drill with forstner bit attached? Any advice welcome. Thanks, Chris.
 
You will need a pretty powerful pillar drill to drive that size cutter.

When faced with similar wood removal I open the hole diameter up in stages, Starting the hole off with the final diameter bit to provide a guide for its periphery when you come back to it.
Then starting with a smaller bit remove the core in stages until there is only a narrow sleeve of wood to be removed by the largest cutter.
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If you are using reclaimed wood it would be good to have some sort of metal detector as well, that's a pricey drill bit you have there.
 
could you use some form of core drill/hole saw, then break out the centre somehow and tidy up with the forstner? Are they through holes or blind holes?
 
Hi

I'd use a hole saw - as said, you'll need a powerful pillar drill to drive an 85mm forstner bit.

Regards Mick
 
Thank you to everyone who has replied so far. I have been using a hand drill on slow speed to use the forstner bit. It does work but is not nice when the bit jams! I have decided I like my wrists just the way they are and no longer intend to use this method. The holes I am making are blind and not through holes. I have ordered an 85mm hole saw and think that this may be the best method. Hole saw then chisel out the middle, hole saw again deeper and then chisel out the middle. My question now is how can I flatten the bottom of the hole without using the 85mm forstner bit in the hand drill ( very dangerous) and buying a pillar drill to accommodate the 85mm forstner (expensive). If I buy a smaller forstner bit say 35mm and use in the hand drill will I be able to move it around the 85mm diameter carved by the hole saw and make a flat bottom? Any advice on the largest diameter forstner that will be safe in a hand drill without the risk of breaking my wrist? thanks, Chris.
 
Hi

Is it possible to drill through holes with the hole saw and attach another board to form the base of the holes?

Regards Mick
 
a pillar drill might not be a bad investment- at least that way you can get vertical holes. If you use the holesaw and break out the middle, then the forstner doesnt have to do a lot of work- it is only flattening the bottom. It isnt going to be much fun doing multiple holes with the hand drill, and you mention wine racks (plural). Even something like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Vintage ... 4d1e8a8107 may do the job- it would certainly keep things vertical. It isnt a good example, but is a link to one that is buy it now rather than auction. I wouldnt try to immediately drive the 85mm forstner through it though.

An alternative method would be to bandsaw off a slice at the back of the rack, cut through holes, and glue the slice back on. It is obviously dependent on having access to a bandsaw. You may be able to get through without breaking off the centre- the centre could have some use to a turner!


I would be interested to see one of your wine racks.
 
Spindle":164jw10q said:
Hi

Is it possible to drill through holes with the hole saw and attach another board to form the base of the holes?

Regards Mick

Mick beat me to it.
 
Hi

Out of interest - how deep are these holes? - would a drilled board front and back be an easier solution?

Regards Mick
 
Hello, I don't want to cut the back of the keel block off and then glue it back once the hole saw has cut a through hole. I think it would ruin the piece but could be an idea for other pieces. I also don't want to attach a back board if I can help it. I intend to make many of these and sell them at craft fairs and the like. If successful I will buy a pillar drill. In the meantime I am trying to get by with hand tools. My real problem at the moment is how can I flatten the bottom of the hole using an attachment on a hand drill without breaking my wrist.
 
Bluntly it sounds like a bad design.

Sorry, that was rather blunt, but it's still a huge amount of excavation for a problem that doesn't need that as a solution - rather inelegant, I'd say.

Hole saws are good, but your design choices leave you without an easy solution to your problem of achieving a flat bottom to the hole. Most of the usual things, such as a router bit won't work because of the depth.

Have you access to a bandsaw (or Japanese Hassumne handsaws)? It's common practice to make bandsawn boxes by rip cutting the base and glueing it back on again afterwards. If cramped tightly, the glue line becomes almost indetectable, as you're fitting the wood back where it came from (minus a thin kerf, obviously), and glueing the same grain together, like repairing a split.

For what it's worth, the drills used to drive diamond hole saws for masonry and (I think) the things that plasterers use for driving stirring paddles have slipping clutches, for exactly the wrist safety problem you mention. My old Makita SDS drill is very good and has one too, although these days it slips more than it used to (doesn't actually matter in practice).

And... the wear on a Forstner bit used that way would be enormous. You should use it in a drill press. The fact you can get away with it handheld doesn't mean it's a good idea. They need decent pressure to cut properly, and without it the edges will overheat, lose temper and blunt quickly. At which point you need more pressure than before to even cut, and the whole thing gets rapidly worse. Also, on one that wide, unlike a holesaw, there will be a huge difference in cutting speed between the outer edges and the inside. It may leave a clean bottom to the hole, but I can't imagine it will be wonderful.

I'd cut the end/bottom off, use a holesaw, and glue it back together. When finished it won't show and you'll have decent sized lumps for the wood burner in the winter! Try it and see if you can get a nice join - I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
 
If you are worried about your wrists you could try hiring a clutched core drill - the type used for drilling big holes in walls - these may be more powerful than your existing drill and are much safer to use.

Let us know how you get on as I have an old oak beam that I have been considering doing the same with.

Cheers, Tom
 
ChrisMcBride":338b0d42 said:
By the way the holes are 15cm deep which is enough to accommodate a wine bottle

Hi

Good luck - a hole saw will not manage that depth without hogging out the core probably twice, maybe three times.

A forstner bit will manage, but at that depth will soon require sharpening.

I'm with Eric I'm afraid - it sounds like a very poor design. Perhaps if you can describe exactly what you're trying to achieve you could get some alternative suggestions from forum members.

Regards Mick
 
Should be - you need a few posts first (four or six, I think), then you can.

There's a fairly small size limit for actual uploads, so the best way is usually to host it on Photobucket or Flickr or similar, then use a link.

To do so, click on the 'full editor' button below the 'quick reply' box.

[fractionally later] Thanks Mick - forgot that!
 
I might try the clutched core drill option just to finish it off by hand with the forstner and then see about investing in a pillar drill once this one is finished. Another question in regards to this project. If I decide when making my next one (I have the other half to this keel block) that I want to cut through holes rather than blind, what is the best way to cut through at least 30cm of solid oak 85mm wide? I'm looking for time saving efficiency here if this is to be a commercially viable option. I don't think cutting it in half and re-glueing back together is an option as it is so heavy, it weighs a ton. I see that there are long length wide diameter masonry core drill bits for brick/concrete walls but no wide diameter long length hole core drill bits for wood. It's a choice of wide diameter but short length hole saws for wood that would keep bottoming out. Any suggestions? Once again, the help from everyone on this forum has been invaluable and greatly appreciated.
 
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