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Are the people complaining that you can't be in groups of 6 or more aware that in English law as it stands any public grouping or assembly of more than 6 people unless given prior sanction is technically classed as a riot. Old law never repealed, though the police do have to actually read you the riot act before they can technically do anything about it. Weird.

Sorry, that's wrong and is now an urban myth. The Riot Act was repealed in 1967 by the Criminal Law Act and it was for 12 or more people who were unlawfully assembled. The definition of unlawful assembly was quite wide until 1986 when that offence was abolished in 1986. It does not exist in English law.

Rob
 
and its your right to believe what you like I made my beliefs known as my right nobody has the right to force feed a narrative on anyone and those that mock take the mick are really just pineapples
I have not seen anyone taking the mick out of you. People have fact checked some of your assertions (that you state as if they are facts) though, and found them to be inaccurate.

There is, or can be, a difference between "beliefs" and verifiable facts. You clearly believe, as you have stated it twice, that Gavi was kicked out of India. This is demonstrably wrong, and clinging to belief in it anyway unfortunately just undermines your position.
 
I must have a dodgy version of Google as a search for "Bill Gates India" quickly gives a list of fact checking sites showing this to be false.
Google try an independent search engine
That's not correct - as recently as 7th August it was announced Gavi are collaborating with the Serum Insititue of India.
OK your right gavi didn't get taken off running the polio vaccines and govt didn't take over. It wasn't anything to do with paralysis and onset of AFT in under 15s. Dress it up howyou wish but children were seriously injured by oral polio vaccines and the provider of that vaccine no longer provides it. That was then I strongly suspect that due to no longer gavi running the show. They may well be collaborating in India today
 
I've met Bill Gates (or someone who claimed to be him) at a Microsoft conference in the US many years ago (25?), he sat on the same table as us and we (approx 10 of us) had a discussion on software and the future of Operating Systems (I used to be a Unix hacker when hacker meant something different).

I recall he was very polite, very pleasant, had his own views, I shook his hand and didn't feel any cold dry skin such as when you touch a reptile at London Zoo (and yes I have done that). I didn't notice the forked tongue as he spoke, but he was at the end of the table so perhaps he hid it well. It was quite early as I recall, so I assume he had used a infra red lamp to warm up.

I had an opportunity then to show the world that he was a reptile, but I missed it. I can only apologise for my failures and the next time I meet him, I will denounce him.

Rob
 
I have not seen anyone taking the mick out of you. People have fact checked some of your assertions (that you state as if they are facts) though, and found them to be inaccurate.

There is, or can be, a difference between "beliefs" and verifiable facts. You clearly believe, as you have stated it twice, that Gavi was kicked out of India. This is demonstrably wrong, and clinging to belief in it anyway unfortunately just undermines your position.
Throughout this thread anyone who believes that the official narrative is wrong have been referred to as moonballs I believe one term was used. I couldn't care less tbh mate. Gavi as kicked off/taken off running vaccines in India. However you dress it up they don't do it anymore. I have referenced David e martin re criminal activity again he's been called all sorts but noons has come back and disproved anything he's said! Calling him names doesn't make him wrong. My position is clear there is proven criminal behaviour by faucci,maderna and its now down to the us legal system to prosecute the allegations, hopefully their courts will open sooner rather than later.
 
Sorry, that's wrong and is now an urban myth. The Riot Act was repealed in 1967 by the Criminal Law Act and it was for 12 or more people who were unlawfully assembled. The definition of unlawful assembly was quite wide until 1986 when that offence was abolished in 1986. It does not exist in English law.

Rob
Thank you I stand corrected. It is nice to learn something factual everyday :geek:
 
Throughout this thread anyone who believes that the official narrative is wrong have been referred to as moonballs

Out of curiosity what is the official narrative? And is that the official narrative of the US or does it applies to the entire world?
 
Out of curiosity what is the official narrative? And is that the official narrative of the US or does it applies to the entire world?
I would argue that anyone who believes the US administration's official position on anything is the moonball. :LOL:
 
Out of curiosity what is the official narrative? And is that the official narrative of the US or does it applies to the entire world?
The WHO sets the agenda/guidelines for the entire world.
Wuhan live market killer corona virus covid 19 stay home don't speak were all going to die. We need to shutdown the world. Your not responsible so were removing your freedoms Wear a mask blah blah you know the rest.
 
The WHO sets the agenda/guidelines for the entire world.
Wuhan live market killer corona virus covid 19 stay home don't speak were all going to die. We need to shutdown the world. Your not responsible so were removing your freedoms Wear a mask blah blah you know the rest.
That is a very short explanatory post FG, considering the very long one setting out your beliefs above. The WHO has always been controversial, however, President of the US withdrew funding from it in Mid April 2020 (The US funded about a fifth), accusing the WHO of severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of coronavirus (source - his tweet of 14 April 2020).

So you would think that the US, having broken away, would present alternative facts. Yet it now emerges that POTUS was recorded by Bob Woodward (he of Nixon fame) telling him that he wished to downplay the seriousness of C19. That was in February 2020 I think.

It makes it difficult to float a conspiracy when parties who presumably must have conspired to get the alleged fallacy of Covid 19 going, fall out in this very public way, and yet still both appear to think that C19 is very much a serious threat.

(PS I would not normally get into this, but I am stuck in bed with time on my hands awaiting an op tomorrow).
 
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The WHO sets the agenda/guidelines for the entire world.
Wuhan live market killer corona virus covid 19 stay home don't speak were all going to die. We need to shutdown the world. Your not responsible so were removing your freedoms Wear a mask blah blah you know the rest.

So according to this governments are allowed freedom and that is why the response to the virus was exactly the same everywhere? Especially in light of most countries ignoring WHO which allowed the virus to become pandemic in the first place?
 
All problems, issues, pandemics etc etc are attributable to one of the worst human traits which is greed. In this current pandemic there are still people whining about their business suffering, loosing money because they are not allowed to fill stadiums with thousands of people, complaining that they need to socialise and many other similar cases. Health must take priority over wealth and we all need to all get back to basics and start respecting each other because this virus is going to be infecting us at any opportunity for some time to come and normality cannot return without a vacine. My biggest concern is that this pandemic has really exposed just how weak and vunerable we are as a race and totaly unprepared even thou some people had raised the posibility some time back and the next extinction event has just become more of a reality.
 
All problems, issues, pandemics etc etc are attributable to one of the worst human traits which is greed. In this current pandemic there are still people whining about their business suffering, loosing money because they are not allowed to fill stadiums with thousands of people, complaining that they need to socialise and many other similar cases. Health must take priority over wealth and we all need to all get back to basics and start respecting each other because this virus is going to be infecting us at any opportunity for some time to come and normality cannot return without a vacine. My biggest concern is that this pandemic has really exposed just how weak and vunerable we are as a race and totaly unprepared even thou some people had raised the posibility some time back and the next extinction event has just become more of a reality.

I would agree with you IF this were a serious illness like Ebola that kills 50% of those infected. However C19 is not serious and does not warrant the measures taken. And for those to naive to know, Wealth IS Health, when GDP goes down so does quality of life and life expectancy. We will be living with the consequences of lockdown for years possibly decades after we stopped caring about C19.
 
Hi there
However C19 is not serious

Would you say that to all the familys who have lost loved ones, I would not expect to end up in an ICU on a ventilator if it was not serious. It may be leaving the younger generation alone at present but what is it leaving them with for later life? This is just a shot over our bows, worse will come unless we change how we interact with our enviroment.
 
Reading all this I am reminded of the (non) moon landing conspiracy.

Very convincing evidence was presented by those who thought the landing was faked here on earth. It was very persuasive.

I was intrigued, and may even have been convinced bar one key point.

NASA employed 10s of thousands of people and used countless subcontractors. Hundreds or maybe low thousands would have been aware that the landing had been faked.

That none (AFAIK) spoke in support of the fakery at the time or later led me to believe that the evidence however cleverly presented simply lacked credibility.

The same applies to this virus - that no credible government has broken ranks, and a very substantial scientific consensus, leads me to believe that the virus and its impacts are a reality not a fabrication.

But it's a free world and you can believe whatever you want!!
 
Hi there


Would you say that to all the familys who have lost loved ones, I would not expect to end up in an ICU on a ventilator if it was not serious. It may be leaving the younger generation alone at present but what is it leaving them with for later life? This is just a shot over our bows, worse will come unless we change how we interact with our enviroment.

You assume our family didn't lose someone? I can't confirm 100% that we did because they died before testing was possible but it is highly likely given their symptoms and circumstances.
Yes I stand by that, C19 is not serious, compared to all the other things that kill people every year C19 is a minor illness, indeed for 99% of those that catch it it is no worse than a cold. I will state it again, the average age of those that die WITH C19 is 83.
 
You assume our family didn't lose someone? I can't confirm 100% that we did because they died before testing was possible but it is highly likely given their symptoms and circumstances.
Yes I stand by that, C19 is not serious, compared to all the other things that kill people every year C19 is a minor illness, indeed for 99% of those that catch it it is no worse than a cold. I will state it again, the average age of those that die WITH C19 is 83.

I'm sorry but that is just wrong, C19 is serious and it hits people hard. I am lucky enough not to have it but I know two close friends, both of which had it badly. One is a very, very close friend and is super fit, she does 20-40 miles per day cycling and 100 miles per weekend day. She's a nurse and knows how to take precautions. The other was a friend who works out a lot, neither smoke. Both are in their 40's. I don't work out and am overweight. Anyway, both of them got CV-19 at the start, one was in the ICU at Guys.

She was off work for three weeks, she described the aches and pains as beyond anything she'd ever felt before and that included difficult child birth. She couldn't move and thought she was simply going to die. I've picked her up off the road after a bad bike crash and she didn't complain. The chaps in Guys hosipital had each person either side of him die from CV-19, they were not 83 years old, but a similar age to him. He thought he was going to die and so did the doctors. He tried to prepare himself for it and the fact he wouldn't see his family at the time was awful to him.

This idea that Covid-19 is just like flu is rubbish. If you get it, it can hit you hard, it can kill, it appears to have long term health implications, we are getting better at managing the treatment of it as we have a slightly better understanding of it and the doctors have started to learn about what works and what doesn't work.I accept that it doesn't hit everybody the same and that the elderly are hit harder than the young, but nobody is immune.

This is real, these are my friends, these are my direct experiences of people who are close to me. I do not think I am special and I happen to have just the few people who've been affected, this is happening all over the world, people are dying, because we are taking precautions, less people are dying than before. I would hate to think what we would be like if we hadn't locked down. I think this govt's response has been woeful in the extreme as well.

However this is not some WHO fantasy, this is not a plot from Dan Brown illuminiti trash novel, there is no reptile ruler of the universe overlording us, this is not something I heard from a mate down the pub, this is not something I picked up from Karen or Ken on Facebook. Bill Gates isn't a reptile, whatever people think. (though I do think he actually set computing back with Windows and I'll never forgive him for the Clippy).

There is no govt secret plot to manage and control us, this govt can't organise a party in a brewery, the US govt leaks more than a sieve, do you think they can keep this secret cabal secret. How many people who have to be in on the plot and for not one of them to speak out? People seem to think there there are always secret organisations with perfect control of their membership who never leak information, who never get drunk and blurt out they are working for <insert name of latest conspiracy theory>, who never leak information, who never get things wrong.

Sometimes the simple explanation is the right one, it's a nasty virus, it is infectious, it's novel, it's passed in the air. It may well have originated in China. We have had these things before and we'll have them again. This is the real world.

I am now disengaging from this thread and will go back to learning how to use a tenon saw.

Stay safe, all of you, even the ones who think this is a hoax. I wouldn't wish Covid-19 on my worst enemy.

Ron
 
@rwillett I am sorry that your friends suffered, I am sure there are plenty who have, but the fact remains that for 99%+ of people it is not a serious illness. Have you ever watched someone suffering from a serious flu? I have and it is not pleasant at all, very similar to bad C19 from the descriptions I have seen.
You appear to be one of the people who forget that thousands die from flu and other winter respiratory infections every year, who forget that 1700 people per day die in this country from all sorts of awful things. C19 is not a serious disease.
 
A good friend of mine teaches teenagers and has two of her own. Her perspective is that the weight of opinion among young people is that they have very low risk. Those that have very high risk (weak and old to summarise) are (according to the age group) welcome to isolate themselves but should not impose this on everyone else, as it is damaging their lives, education and well being.

I am fairly ambivalent about it all, but it is certainly true that old v young can logically hold very different perspectives.
 
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