Painting exterior woodwork

[Halo Jones]

I need to refurbish my wooden double glazed windows and paint a couple of gates I have just made.

I last did the windows in 2010 using a Dulux trade system. I followed their instructions to the letter on 19 windows taking me the best part of the summer working weekends. It was meant to last 8-10 years but showed real signs of wear after 3 years and now looks unsightly after 5. Most unimpressed!

The two I am looking at now are: Johnstones stormshield system and Bedec (MSP or Barn Paint)

So. I was wondering what everyone on here paints exterior woodwork with?


Thanks.

 

[Jacob]

I need to refurbish my wooden double glazed windows and paint a couple of gates I have just made.

I last did the windows in 2010 using a Dulux trade system. I followed their instructions to the letter on 19 windows taking me the best part of the summer working weekends. It was meant to last 8-10 years but showed real signs of wear after 3 years and now looks unsightly after 5. Most unimpressed!

The two I am looking at now are: Johnstones stormshield system and Bedec (MSP or Barn Paint)

So. I was wondering what everyone on here paints exterior woodwork with?


Thanks.

Story of my life until I discovered Allback linseed oil paint. It's totally superior to all the common modern paints. I now use nothing else and wish I'd discovered it years ago.
The downside is it is not so shiny and you can't get the bright colours.

They don't particularly recommend this but I've found that it will go well onto failed modern paints - scrape off the loose stuff, sand lightly and prime with linseed oil. You don't have to do a full strip job. A wash with sugar soap no doubt will help.
Linseed oil seems to secure whatever is already there.

I am now into year 8 with it and non of it has failed in the slightest even on difficult bits of exposed woodwork. The only exception is some newish work which could now do with a touch up especially on the putty fillets - but that is normal and its a good idea to give any paint a good 2nd going over a year or so later, just the defects if any.

 

[Halo Jones]

I would consider Linseed oil on the new gates as I can paint them under shelter before I hang them but doesn't is take an age to dry and so not too compatible with the changeable Scottish weather? Happy to be proved wrong!

 

[DTR]

I need to refurbish my wooden double glazed windows and paint a couple of gates I have just made.

I last did the windows in 2010 using a Dulux trade system. I followed their instructions to the letter on 19 windows taking me the best part of the summer working weekends. It was meant to last 8-10 years but showed real signs of wear after 3 years and now looks unsightly after 5. Most unimpressed!

The two I am looking at now are: Johnstones stormshield system and Bedec (MSP or Barn Paint)

So. I was wondering what everyone on here paints exterior woodwork with?


Thanks.

Story of my life until I discovered Allback linseed oil paint. It's totally superior to all the common modern paints. I now use nothing else and wish I'd discovered it years ago.
The downside is it is not so shiny and you can't get the bright colours.

They don't particularly recommend this but I've found that it will go well onto failed modern paints - scrape off the loose stuff, sand lightly and prime with linseed oil. You don't have to do a full strip job. A wash with sugar soap no doubt will help.
Linseed oil seems to secure whatever is already there.

I am now into year 8 with it and non of it has failed in the slightest even on difficult bits of exposed woodwork. The only exception is some newish work which could now do with a touch up especially on the putty fillets - but that is normal and its a good idea to give any paint a good 2nd going over a year or so later, just the defects if any.

I'm bookmarking this for future reference. I need to repaint my gates

 

[blackrodd]

I can't help, I'm afraid as I have used and recommended Dulux for years and seen little or no problems at all,
Other than fading colours after a couple of years, mine is Buckingham green.

Regards Rodders

 

[Jacob]

I would consider Linseed oil on the new gates as I can paint them under shelter before I hang them but doesn't is take an age to dry and so not too compatible with the changeable Scottish weather? Happy to be proved wrong!

A bit longer to dry than modern paints - say 2 days between coats in fair weather.
It's compatible with the changeable Swedish weather (which is where it comes from and is most widely used) and Swedish weather is a lot more severe than Scottish weather. They also have much more (softwood) timber building so paint is important to them.

 

[Halo Jones]

Good points Jacob. I will look into this a bit more and also see what BIG BOSS thinks as to the colour palettes.

 

[gregmcateer]

I like the sound of this, (if not the price - yikes!! though if the rubbing down is quicker and the repainting less often, that's quids-in, methinks)

Jacob - a similar paint from: http://www.linseedpaintcompany.co.uk/ seems to indicate that white is an enviromental nono, but also that it won't really stay white, (rather like 'normal' modern oil-based white paint doesn't either)

In your experience, has any white you've painted stayed white, or not?

TIA

Greg

 

[Jacob]

The whites are off white and look a bit greyish. You don't get that brilliant plasticky white shine of modern paints - it looks "old fashioned". Marvellous modern paints hold the colour and shine even after they've flaked off onto the floor!
It's much cheaper to use than it looks - it goes a long way and has to be brushed on thin. The colours I've used (linseed blue, iron oxide red, various whites) all cover extremely well. Then there's no thinners needed, no brush cleaners etc. You leave the brushes hanging in oil but even this isn't wasted - you use it at the first opportunity. You can wash it off your hands with soap and water.

I forecast a real paint revolution a bit like the real ale campaign!

PS it also keeps well in the tin - no skinning over or drying out - it has no VOCs and hardens by oxidation not evaporation. It'll settle so will need a good stir but otherwise will stay good for a very long time.

 

[Jacob]

I'd describe the white (as per my windows) as looking very much like old fashioned whitewash i.e. not glossy and less than brilliant white. Nor is it as self cleaning as high gloss paint so will need a wash down more often - just soapy water nothing difficult, or normal window cleaning but with slightly more attention to the woodwork.
But it sticks like s**t to a blanket, which is the important thing!

 

[gregmcateer]

I'd describe the white (as per my windows) as looking very much like old fashioned whitewash i.e. not glossy and less than brilliant white. Nor is it as self cleaning as high gloss paint so will need a wash down more often - just soapy water nothing difficult, or normal window cleaning but with slightly more attention to the woodwork.
But it sticks like s**t to a blanket, which is the important thing!

That's helpful, Thanks.
I've got some windows above the porch door so was hoping to match existing as closely as poss. Any chance of a quick photo of yours?
TIA
Greg

 

[HexusOdy]

I only ever use Alcro paints for anything. They were recommended to me by a decorator and a kitchen maker and have only ever used their paint since.

They do a few external paints, most of them water based and I have used them, but for me if you want long lasting oil based is still the best. I'd recommend their Besta Tackfarg Tra, and you don't have to use their colours. The only UK dealer can mix it an any colour you want, no sample required.

 

[Phil Pascoe]

"...so will need a wash down more often - just soapy water nothing difficult, or normal window cleaning..."

What?? People waste their lives washing windows?

 

[Jacob]

More and more people are realising that modern paints are sh|t
http://www.woodworkuk.co.uk/forum/viewt ... 73e9867a52

My first disastrous experience with modern paints was a long time ago - I painted my sister's house she was doing me a favour I was skint.
I did a 100% proper job with "good quality" materials following all the advice and instruction I could get my hands on.
3 years later it was peeling badly. 6 years later they replaced the whole lot with plastic.

I think the plastic window industry might not exist at all if it wasn't for the poor quality of modern paints. It's that simple but it takes a long time to find out! Half a lifetime in my case.