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I've got a few old woodworking tools I'm looking for advice on... The rest are in the shed, will dig them out on a dry day but keep this one in the house as my late dad said it was valuable and always warned me to put it away safe after I had used it. He said it was worth over £500 years ago, would this be true?
 

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Has it got a makers mark on it? Some particular ones are popular with collectors and people pay a lot for them, there are people here who will know better than me, but I’d say that’s worth £10, a nice tool that’ll work well for another century if looked after

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Just looked again as I didn't think it had a makers name but I've now found "J. Howarth Sheffield" stamped on the handle end of the metal blade
 

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Forgot to say the wooden part is not original Had to make a new one a few year back
 

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The infill or the wedge?
The blade could be from anywhere, it’s very common the replace them or grind down a larger one as needed, so it may not be the original with the plane.
Is your intention to use them or sell them?
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It's not impossible that it could be worth that much provided it was made by a famous and revered maker such as Spiers of Ayr, Norris or Towell and is quite a rare version, otherwise, it won't be worth as much as £500, maybe £20 or so.

James Howarth is quite a well-known edge-tool maker although I don't think they made hand planes themselves but they would've supplied blades for planes.
 

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This is an area where other people with bigger budgets know a lot more than I do. But this is what I know.

If I was looking for a slim, infill shoulder plane to use, I'd stalk eBay or other auctions and expect to pay no more than £50. That worked for me and I'm sorted.

However, some makes of planes like that are highly collectible and have a value unrelated to their usefulness. Markings can be present but are not obvious - don't scrub away with sandpaper looking for them or you will destroy the value.

"Good" names include Norris, Spiers and Buck. Values for those can run into the hundreds but a lot will depend on condition. Having a replacement infill is pretty common but probably would reduce the value as a collectible.

Prices of some types of old tool have dropped a lot since the 70s, others have risen. It's the difference between a market place mostly online and one that used to be based in retail premises and mail order catalogues.
 

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Looks a quality product.
Definitely of a "dovetailed" construction.

If you remove the iron and look on the wooden slope you may see a batch production number. If there is, have a look on the iron for the same number. It's quite likely original if they match.

On the front end of the infill careful scrutiny may reveal a mark. Some are very hard to see and you often need to look from different angles and lights sources. A good rub/buff with a dirty, oily rag is good for cleaning up the wood and as AndyT says avoid abrasives.

Missing good original wedge knocks the value but as a user many would be pleased to have it.

Cheers Andy
 

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Was thinking that myself that the blade could have came from anywhere with the makers name on it Due to a new arrival in the family taking up room in my shed as the wife will not let her live in the house i am now struggling for space will probably end up selling them sometime Where would be the best place to get the best value for them? Must have about 150 tools at a guess It is a classic motocross bike that has cost me my space in the shed in case you are wondering
 

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Looks a quality product.
Definitely of a "dovetailed" construction.

If you remove the iron and look on the wooden slope you may see a batch production number. If there is, have a look on the iron for the same number. It's quite likely original if they match.

On the front end of the infill careful scrutiny may reveal a mark. Some are very hard to see and you often need to look from different angles and lights sources. A good rub/buff with a dirty, oily rag is good for cleaning up the wood and as AndyT says avoid abrasives.

Missing good original wedge knocks the value but as a user many would be pleased to have it.

Cheers Andy
Thanks for that The blade has the number 5 stamped on it and the infill has also the number 5 stamped on it It does seem to be a quality product going by how heavy it weighs
 

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Thanks for that The blade has the number 5 stamped on it and the infill has also the number 5 stamped on it It does seem to be a quality product going by how heavy it weighs
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Any chance of a close up of the front to see if we can decipher a maker for you.
Mathieson ?
Cheers Andy
 

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If it has a number 5 on it,then it could possibly be a blade from a plough plane set of different width blades. Normally found in a canvas roll.

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If it has a number 5 on it,then it could possibly be a blade from a plough plane set of different width blades. Normally found in a canvas roll.

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I can see your thinking but this blade is flat and a 5 wouldn't be wide enough. Unless there was a decent blacksmith in the area ?😉
 

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More and clear photos will be needed to get a better idea of what you have.
I inherited my father's Grandfather clock, he had it insured for £1400, I doubt if selling it, I would get £200. It was more special to him, because he knew it's history, which meant something to him, but I never knew the people he referred to.

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It looks somewhat similar to this shoulder/rebate plane of mine made by Stewart Spiers... This example is in perfect condition and it came with the previous owner's name stamp; it's marked No 6 on the iron and on the infill.

This lovely old plane - bought off of ebay in 2019 - cost me £185 including postage, but had it once belonged to my father I would have sold my very soul, plus all my old vintage tools, married 3 rich widows and taken out a huge bank loan to buy it back... Davy, it's impossible to put a value on your plane because it is priceless!

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Wow that's amazing being able to buy a plane used by your father.........and the name stamp just makes it even better.
Hi, my friend, this plane didn't belong to my father - what I said was 'but had it once belonged to my father'.
 

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Don't conflate people's perception of value with the actual value as they rarely meet and the former generally exceeds the latter. Once it becomes a sale item, that kind of all becomes moot anyhow.

I'd also add that a family connection is not always the value it's deemed to be either. Don't mean this as a dig against the OP, more that not all family connections have value is all. That's another perception thing, just the other way around.

To the OP, if space as at a premium and you have lots of old tools sat in a shed, I'd advise getting them dry and cleaned much sooner than later. Chances are that there is possibly some gems in the larger collection and being left in a shed will detract from that value, either to you personally or to a potential buyer. Take your time, plenty of resource on the web to determine most of the info you need to work out what stays and what goes.
 

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