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AndyT

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Thanks for sharing. Sorry to say so, but I don't see anything there to get very excited about. Trouble is, the planes are all common types, and not in very good condition - even the better wooden ones have rust on their irons. If you look on eBay you will see plenty of similar examples that don't sell. The trouble is that they are all heavy, so are expensive to post, and people are reluctant to pay £1 or £5 for a plane and then add £10 for postage. And unless there is something special in the mix, bulk lots of 'collection only' planes in this condition will be lucky to find a buyer, unless you are lucky enough to be near a local eccentric who will spend a disproportionate amount of time bringing them back to life. (I know - I have several planes which used to look like these) - and there are limits to how many planes even nutters like me can find room for!
 

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Yeratit...

Your Bailey No. 5 looks a bit wide; are you sure it isn't a 5-1/2?
Unless it's the camera angle.

Have you thought about cleaning them up to sell as 'breakers', for spares; especially the older frogs.
You might get more that way
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Benchwayze":1ucrf70b said:
Yeratit...

Your Bailey No. 5 looks a bit wide; are you sure it isn't a 5-1/2?
Unless it's the camera angle.

Have you thought about cleaning them up to sell as 'breakers', for spares; especially the older frogs.
You might get more that way
:)
Most of the frogs appear modern, despite the corrosion,.

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Thanks guys - any eccentrics in or near Glasgow interested? I am also travelling to Hawick and the Lake District in the next few weeks so could provide an opportunity to avoid very expensive and obviously the pointless price of postage given their worth
 

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Pete Maddex":11m64uxz said:
Hi, Chaps

That moulding plane in the second pic, two mouths?

Pete
Well spotted Pete - I'd missed that.

This was done on especially elaborate profiles where it would be difficult to get the true line on a single iron. Such planes are reasonably rare, so if you have both irons, that one could be worth £10 - £30 on eBay, depending on what it really looks like.
 

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Ill get some better pics of it put on tonight - would appreciate a bit of help with what exactly to say in the listing.Cheers
 

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Ive been asked for a price for the meauring tape and I literally have no idea if its worth a £1 or 1 million. Anyone any ideas on what a reasonable price would be? Im only interested in asking for a fair price. Cheers
 

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Tough one - somewhere in between I think!

A quick search on eBay completed listings shows lots of common tapes such as would be used by builders go for £2 to £10 and many don't sell. But this is different - much more specialist. Presumably useful if laying out a large ship! I know (vaguely) that old rulers and measuring devices are a specialist collecting market of their own, but it's not one I've strayed into.
 

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Yesterday, I found an old, folding 2 foot rule in my bench drawer. I didn't realise I had two of these rules. Now I shall be awake for a week trying to remember how I came by the second one! It's a little better quality than my original one too! And has imperial/metric scales. Good oh! :mrgreen:
 

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AndyT":4xv6fx3e said:
Tough one - somewhere in between I think!

A quick search on eBay completed listings shows lots of common tapes such as would be used by builders go for £2 to £10 and many don't sell. But this is different - much more specialist. Presumably useful if laying out a large ship! I know (vaguely) that old rulers and measuring devices are a specialist collecting market of their own, but it's not one I've strayed into.
Looks like a normal surveyors tape, say 100 ft.

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Steel tapes were important for accuarcy. Temperature and distance pulled out were controlled to get an accurate lengths, ie. in setting-out steelwork, fues, ships, anything really,etc. Box shows it was valued and easier to carry and store. Storing wet tapes was always a nuisance (rust) as it had to be cleaned and oiled if necessary back in the dry office....... could be a sacking offence. 250 feet is possibly unusual. 100 feet quite common.
Will study your pics more closely.
 

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twothumbs":180enf42 said:
Steel tapes were important for accuarcy. Temperature and distance pulled out were controlled to get an accurate lengths, ie. in setting-out steelwork, fues, ships, anything really,etc. Box shows it was valued and easier to carry and store. Storing wet tapes was always a nuisance (rust) as it had to be cleaned and oiled if necessary back in the dry office....... could be a sacking offence. 250 feet is possibly unusual. 100 feet quite common.
Will study your pics more closely.
How (the h*ll) do you control temperature when measuring something 250 feet long?!?

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Ok..this one's easy!

You're measuring a steel ship right...?

With a steel tape ok?

What's the connection and why doesn't temperature matter one iota? 8)

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We used to use them for surveying and for setting out structures.
I've still got one made from Invar Steel.
For really accurate work it was suspended in a catenary with spring balances at each end to measure the tension. The air temperature and barometric pressure taken as well.
Lots of calculations with 12 figure logs and the distance worked out.
Now replaced by Geodimeters and other Total Station Laser devices.

Rod
 

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Harbo":2d4gu6ca said:
We used to use them for surveying and for setting out structures.
I've still got one made from Invar Steel.
For really accurate work it was suspended in a catenary with spring balances at each end to measure the tension. The air temperature and barometric pressure taken as well.
Lots of calculations with 12 figure logs and the distance worked out.
Now replaced by Geodimeters and other Total Station Laser devices.

Rod
Ah - the temperature wasn't "controlled", it was "controlled for". I understand (and am impressed).

The closest I've come to this is using an extra long surveyors chain to step out a calibrated mile for cycle time trial measuring purposes. It was used under measured tension, but only via spring scales of the type used by fishermen.

(details available if anyone cares!)

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