Kity 5

Chauffeurman · 24 Mar 2015

Hi
I have acquired an old Kity 5 it's in a nice condition but requires a bit I
of adjustment to work correctly
The planer out feed table is level and square to the blades but the infeed table drops away by 5 mm is there any adjustment on this to bring the table level with the out feed?
The table sits on two steel bars which have four Allen bolts screwed in from the table top with locking nuts underneath
This model has the splayed table legs & a 15 m spindle moulder so I think it's one of the earliest models
I would appreciate any response
Chauffeurman

Chauffeurman · 11 Apr 2015

Not had any response from this question thought I would try again
Can you adjust the infeed table?
ie: make it level with the outfeed table mine drops away towards the adjuster by about 5 mm
Thanks!

blackrodd · 11 Apr 2015

Hello Chauffeurman Welcome to the Forum.
I'm sorry that you're first post was missed
I have one of these K5s, splayed legs model.
I have not had any trouble or reason to look at how the infeed or outfeed tables are mounted.
Although I think some people do lift the machines about by heaving the table tops, at times.
Looking at this one,--
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301588954416? ... EBIDX%3AIT

Using the magnified facility, there are side bolts, in the alloy bed on the outfeed table, and below the bed, on the infeed table.
These, I would look at and see what they do before attempting any adjustments.
I'll get down the workshop tomorrow, if I can, and look at mine.
If you would like to see the year plate, take the drive belt off the motor, slide the motor away from the saw and the
plate is between the motor and the saw bench, a small mirror is helpful!
Mine is 1979 and excellent on small stuff.
Maybe some one else will know the answer to you're query and be along soon
Regards Rodders

Chauffeurman · 12 Apr 2015

Hi Rodders
Thanks for getting back to me!
I will look for the date plate next week,mine is a pretty old model but in good working order just needs a bit of TLC.
I thought the bolts you mentioned might be adjustable but there does not seem to be a groove or a slot in the framework which would allow adjustment.
I think the planer would work better if the tables were on the same level all the way along both beds but it does work as it is. Maybe I,m expecting too much from an old machine.
I,ve managed to find an engineer to make some spacers for the spindle moulder as I have a small amount of 15mm
bore cutters etc. theses should arrive next week.
Anyway I would appreciate any imput from yourself.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend
Chauffuerman

blackrodd · 12 Apr 2015

As you say, the beds should be in the same plane, although obviously the lead on needs to be lower as the depth of cut.
I've luckily not had any problems with mine at all.
These machines do seem to suffer from neglect in many cases.
Is that the cutters for the slotted collars that you mention?
Or are one of the lucky ones that has has an 80mm kity block?
Regards Rodders

Chauffeurman · 13 Apr 2015

Hi redders
I assume you agree that the tables are fixed so no adjustment it does not affect the planer use but I will work on it
& let you know if I find a way
My moulder has a 15mm split spindle I have a slot/ rebate cutter not sure if I will use the latter
But as you say it's great for small jobs still not found a year date on the info plate but will have another look
Bit busy with work at the moment
Enjoy this warm spell that's on its way
Regards Chauffuerman

MickCheese · 13 Apr 2015

I don't have the K5 but do have a Kity planer.

Hope I'm not telling you what you already know.

You adjust the depth of cut by lowering or raising the Infeed table. The in feed and out feed tables should be coplaner

I seem to remember some talk a while ago on a forum of adjusting being done with small shims or washers but as mine is level I didn't pay too much attention, sorry.

Good luck.

Mick

blackrodd · 13 Apr 2015

Chauffeurman, are we at cross purposes here?
If you mean rising the infeed table there should be a handle/knob at the bed's end, clockwise goes up.
Perhaps this is missing/broken.
I say this as Mick cheese may have a good point, and we have no pics, can you put some on and perhaps include the cutters for the spindle you mentioned.
Did you have any handbook, etc with the K5?
Regards Rodders

Chauffeurman · 14 Apr 2015

Hi all
The planer / thicknesser has an outfeed table square to the blade
The infeed table is square to the blade at its maximum height but if you lay a straight edge to the out feed table
It's all in line but the end of the infeed table drops down away from the straight edge by about 1/4 inch
It still works ok I thought it may work better if both tables were in situ
I will try to post some photos at the weekend when I have more time
Another question
The spindle moulder has a 15mm split shaft ( I have a cutter in a box but no idea how it's supposed to be fitted)
I have had stainless steel spacers made with an outer diameter of 30mm
Do you think it's safe to fit 30mm tooling to this?
I have a drum sander attachment with two top hats which give a 30mm outer diameter
As for paper work I have some stuff I can photograph.
I will try to do this weekend & post it

blackrodd · 14 Apr 2015

Myfordman has said if any members want's a copy, send him a pm, with you're e mail address and he'll send you his which as he says, does not cover all models but is very useful, and certainly helped me out.
I am not very good computering and am not able to send anything, sorry!
When you get the chance put you're pics on and see what you have there.
Hth Regards Rodders

PS, The slotted collars were a bit dangerous for the unwary, as it was wise to check the top nut frequently while using as they were a bit unpredictable and fly out!.
The early 15mm shaft is too small for newer, 30mm blocks, too heavy, and not much use as the block will not work lower than the table height.
An original 80mm block would be good but a rare thing to find.
There was one last week for sale, went for £60, odd.

Lons · 15 Apr 2015

Hi
Only just seen your posts

If you want a manual, just pm me your email and I'll send it, I've already sent out hundreds of the things :lol: It's scanned from my copy of the updated model to yours but there are also original price lists and brochure which are interesting as it shows accessories.

I used to sell them and from memory (it was a very long time ago) it was possible to shim the tables though I can't remember how. This is assuming that the outfield table itself is perfectly flat as given enough abuse, it was possible to bend the aluminium casting. I came across one returned under warranty where the guy couldn't understand why it had bent when he used it to stand on :roll: He got quite shirty when I said it wasn't a pair of steps and to sod off #-o

Still a great little machine btw and if you can get hold of a small spindle block and some top hat spacers it's even more usable. The french head cutters are ok if used with care and commonsense and H&S regs don't apply to home workshops. I've never had a problem I just keep checking the locking nuts, use sharp cutters and feed the work in slowly.

cheers
bob

Chauffeurman · 18 Apr 2015

Hi Rodders
Have tried without success to post photos will try again later
in the meantime I've discovered that the French are strange race
everybody else ( I think) adjust the infeed table to the out feed table but the fiends ( French ) do it the other way round
There are four bolts on the outfeed which allows adjustment to line up both tables in situ.
it takes a bit of time but it is possible to achieve a satisfactory result
I will test the planer tomorrow before the adjustment :lol: it was taking more wood off the centre section than the ends so the work piece became concave or it might be convex it depends how you look at it
so I hope I've helped people adjust the Kity 5
regards Chauffeurman

Chauffeurman · 18 Apr 2015

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blackrodd · 18 Apr 2015

Chauffeurman, I hope you have done the right thing! I would have suggested adjusting the in feed bed.
In the following link,(this didn't take just now and froze the whole page)!
Scroll down, last pic for the planer.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/kity-combinat ... true&rt=nc

This is the next model on, with mainly the guarding changed on the planer, in the last pic you can see the bolts I mentioned, below the lead in table, which is the bed I would have suggested moving/adjusting.
I suggest, now you check the cutters are exactly level with the out feed bed, or you will get the symptoms of planing you have described, earlier.
I would hope that Lons see's this and give his views, as he is very much more familiar with the Kity than I am.
Regards Rodders

Lons · 18 Apr 2015

blackrodd":52zea5t8 said:
Chauffeurman, I hope you have done the right thing! I would have suggested adjusting the in feed bed.
In the following link,(this didn't take just now and froze the whole page)!
Scroll down, last pic for the planer.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/kity-combinat ... true&rt=nc

This is the next model on, with mainly the guarding changed on the planer, in the last pic you can see the bolts I mentioned, below the lead in table, which is the bed I would have suggested moving/adjusting.
I suggest, now you check the cutters are exactly level with the out feed bed, or you will get the symptoms of planing you have described, earlier.
I would hope that Lons see's this and give his views, as he is very much more familiar with the Kity than I am.
Regards Rodders

I agree with those comments 100% Rodders

Chauffeurman · 19 Apr 2015

Hi
So on testing the planer I found the blades were too low in the cutter block
I removed the blades cleaned & lubricated the assembly then re set the blades
I used a piece of paper on the out feed table with a steel rule pressing down
It took about 3 attempts but managed to reset & test the cutters
The result was pretty good so I,m happier than when I first started using this machine
Regards Chauffeurman