Kiln vs Air at equal moisture content ease to work differen?

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Tetsuaiga

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Some of my assumptions might be wrong here so feel free to correct.

My understanding is that kiln dried and air will both stabilize with their environment given long enough time. Kiln usually will be taken down then raise back up again slightly once brought to a workshop/home.

I'm wondering if the kiln drying process makes the wood harder to work with hand tools? I think I remember reading about it having an irreversible effect on the cells and lignin but can't remember exactly what it said.

I've only knowingly used air dried once and it was easier to hand plane, i suspect that was mainly just because it was still quite high in moisture.
 
I don't know if it's a true impression or just an influence at the back of the mind from having read similar comments in the past about natural dried wood being softer and less brittle but that does seem to be the case too me when turning.

I know for a fact that those samples I have accelerated drying times by Boiling, Alcohol soaking, Microwaving or just plain old Oven Cooking all are harder and dustier to finish.
 
In general good air dried timber is vastly superior to kilned. It retains a buttery quality that makes it much easier and more satisfying to work with. Kilned timber is fine for construction and much cheaper to produce, but if you are going to work it with hand tools air dried is the way to go.

Having said that, some of the best quality timber is very lightly kilned initially to kill off any bugs and bring down the moisture content to a consistent starting point, then air dried, then seasoned and matured. It's like food, it can be improved or ruined at each stage of the process.
 
I don't believe you can steam-bend kiln-dried timber. Also I think I read that if the kiln-drying process is done too fast it can cause the boards to warp more than they would if they had been air-dried.
 
Tetsuaiga":12srxyiy said:
I'm wondering if the kiln drying process makes the wood harder to work with hand tools? I think I remember reading about it having an irreversible effect on the cells and lignin but can't remember exactly what it said.
There is some truth in what you recall, and it's an example of a hysteresis effect. One form of hysteresis is defined as: the current behaviour of a material is dependent upon the conditions it experienced in its history. Drying wood has a number of consequences, two of which are that it strengthens it and hardens it. In this case, wood kilned to the US standard of 7% MC is stiffer and harder than wood dried to only, say, 20% MC, about as low as wood ever air dries in the UK, unless supplementary drying takes place, e.g., in a dry shed, workshop, kiln, or habitable building, etc.

Wood cells that have become very dry can never again quite return to the suppleness and softness they exhibited when the wood was at Fibre Saturation Point (FSP) or green (wetter than FSP, and just felled for instance). The stiffness and strength imparted by drying has a permanent effect, although this effect may be quite small. So, yes, a piece of kiln dried wood is somewhat harder to plane, chisel and saw than the next board from the same tree where this piece was air dried to only, say, 20% MC, even if the piece kilned to 7% MC is subsequently brought back to 20% MC.

I disagree somewhat with Matthew in that I don't think air dried wood is necessarily "vastly superior" to kiln dried wood. I understand what he's getting at, but there are times where kiln dried wood that has been kept very dry after kilning will almost always be a better choice than air dried, e.g., where the end use is in some kind of hot and/or dry atmosphere.

Picking up on another comment, kiln dried wood can be steam bent, but it's generally easier, and a better compromise to steam bend air dried wood at perhaps 18 or 22% MC. In part this is because of the inherent suppleness of the wetter wood, but because some drying has taken place some of the distortion that can occur during drying has already happened, so there should be fewer surprises with the end result. The easiest wood to steam bend is wood at FSP or above, and this is a good choice in some circumstances, e.g., for many parts destined for exterior locations.

Lastly, on this subject, I think it's worth mentioning that very straight (continuous) grained wood is best for bending, especially steam bending, because run-out of the grain or short grain in the part to be bent is more likely to suffer failure (split, snap, etc). Cleaved or riven wood generally produces pieces with continuous grain, and white oaks are some of easiest wood species to rive or cleave, making it a good choice for this procedure, planking for Viking longboats in long ago times being an example. Slainte.
 
Yet again, I am pleased that someone has asked this question, and provoked such really useful, informative answers. It's what the forum can do so well!

I've learned so much over the last few years reading responses like this here. Many thanks, especially to Richard, for taking the time to post answers. Richard, is there any news on your planned book?
 
AndyT":29hk1y5w said:
... is there any news on your planned book?
It's being evaluated by a publisher, yet another one to be more accurate. Every publisher that's looked at it has been complimentary about the content, but they all seem to be wary of its size (large apparently), the cost of producing it, and the perceived market size. Lots of publishers seem also to be wary of printed books now, and looking to digital formats where possible, which perhaps an image heavy text like mine isn't really best suited to. Slainte.
 
Nice reply Sgian. Thank you.

I can confirm kiln dried can bend just fine. Different species will work better but when I tried I was pleased with the result.
 
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