None of the emission standards matter it’s all about road charging.
Khan's ULEZ scam >road charging
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None of the emission standards matter it’s all about road charging.
Agent_zed
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yes those are some words that sound nice but do they actually translate into investment in the bit that the end user needs. How many times have you seen a company get more money and all that happens is they 'have' to get consultants and marketing and couldn't possibly not hire a fabulous CEO on huge wages to run it (who inevitably turns out to not do a lot and leaves after 2 years with a huge payoff). Instead of more buses and trains etc.
Look at the water companies a couple of the CEO's were on millions per year!
Jacob
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Yes but we know about the astonishing Thames Water scam and it wasn't just a couple of CEOs it was massive dividends payed out to shareholders and foreign owners while the privatised business went to the wall.
TFL on the other hand is a governmental public body and there is no hint and no way that it could be a scam. There are no profits to cream off. Also it's doing exactly the opposite of Thames Water in that it is trying to improve things for the London area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans...n (TfL) is,network in London, United Kingdom.
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Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
So you keep saying but it makes no sense at all. If they wanted to road charge they would road charge with no elaborate pretence necessary.
Just for balance, TFL was and still is completely bankrupt. I find it appalling how much public money has been and continues to be pored into it. I believe it’s £4.5 Billion of public hand outs this year with more promised going forward. The railways are also publicly subsidised, I believe this year it will be circa £11 billion. Now, Im all for public transport, but it has to be priced at a level that it actually both breaks even and pays for its own maintenance and expansion.
To put those numbers in context, a large teaching hospital costs around £1 billion a year to run. So that an additional 15 hospitals that could be funded rather than paying for peoples transport! We have I believe 21 teaching hospitals at the moment! Now that would have an impact on People’s lives.
Agent_zed
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well the CEO is on £395k along with 600 other executives on £100k+ seems like a bit of cream to me.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...-bailout-tube-strike-sadiq-khan-b1009359.html
I'm not arguing against the principle of implementing pollution reducing initiatives, just the effectiveness of said initiatives and whether they are actually doing what we are lead to believe.
selectortone
Still waking up not dead in the morning
It must be very reassuring for you guys who actually live there, to have Jacob putting you right on the pros and cons of TFL and ULEZ.
It’s the only thing that does make sense Jacob it’s a very expensive hammer to crack a nut?
Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
No what I do is a cunning trick - I try to find out about things from people who seem to know more about the topic than me! Usually by googling around. See links above.Normal for Mr Grimsdale he always has useful advise on any topic
You ought to try it, instead of just arbitrarily choosing whatever bit of make-believe you prefer.
Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
Seems a lot to me too but apparently below the going rates for a big organisation top management, and not secret. Also there are no shareholders profit dividends
Have a search for the evidence then. Start here with "does ULEZ work?"
does ulez work - Google Search
Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
Public services are not for profit, in terms of money at least. The profit is in the value of the service they provide, which doesn't appear on balance sheets unfortunately.
e.g. The NHS is our biggest financial loser but also one of our most valuable public services. There is absolutely no way for it to break even and pay for its own maintenance and expansion.
This is a very common misunderstanding.
Bloody good job TFL doesn't sharpen anything. He could be their advisor on paint, though, I suppose.Normal for Mr Grimsdale he always has useful advise on any topic
No what you do is talk rubbish on matters you have no knowledge of and then try to insult other viewpoints. This has been your modus operandi from the earliest days of this forum. I believe you have caused more knowledgable posters to leave over the years than any other member.No what I do is a cunning trick - I try to find out about things from people who seem to know more about the topic than me! Usually by googling around. See links above.
You ought to try it, instead of just arbitrarily choosing whatever bit of make-believe you prefer.
Still can’t be long now eh?
Those buses want a nice coat of Linseed!
selectortone
Still waking up not dead in the morning
There is a very wise old proverb: "A little learning is a dangerous thing."
Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
Learnt a lot in this thread! I knew sweet f.a. about ULEZ only a few days ago!
Jameshow
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He's an expert don't you know!!
Jacob
New Luddism. Wake up and resist.
What, are you leaving?No what you do is talk rubbish on matters you have no knowledge of and then try to insult other viewpoints. This has been your modus operandi from the earliest days of this forum. I believe you have caused more knowledgable posters to leave over the years than any other member.
Still can’t be long now eh?
It'll be interesting to hear the outcome of the judicial review but the smart money seems to be on ULEZ carrying on and expanding.
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