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Pete Robinson

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Hi all, I have recently been making some window frames from Iroko, have been working with it for around two months no problem, suddenly I have developed rashes, swelling etc. on my face and ears, stopped working with it, cleared up, but now even the slightest contact, eg: have been cleaning workshop and look like the elephant man again!! I have never had a reaction from any wood in the past and I have worked with most of them!! But Iroko, well this is a first.
ANY ONE KNOW ANYTHING!!!!
 
You need to talk to CHJ , Chas about this. Chas is a turner and has real problems with iroko.
Lots of people do get a reaction to it, once it starts you need to be very careful as it can cause all sorts of complications.
 
Yes it is vial stuff, I am violently allergic to it, have to keep cortisone medication in the fridge and strong anti histamine drugs on hand in case of accidental exposure.

It can also lead to a poor tolerance of some other woods once you have developed this rapid reaction.

Nearly put me in hospital with nettle rash over 2/3 of my body and edema etc. not being able to open your eyes for a day or two is not fun. That was from 30mins exposure with a full filtered air face mask.
 
I've used iroko once (for turning) and was particularly wary of it after reading about Chas and his adverse reactions to it.Have turned lots of exotic timbers with no ill effects,but iroko was unpleasant.Always have a full-face shield and air filter on when turning,but felt the need to put a dustmask on after about a minute :shock:
Believe it is also a sensitizer - i.e. it makes your reaction to it (and other timbers) worse with time;sounds like what you have suffered from.

Andrew
 
Pete Robinson":jrdkocdv said:
Hi all, I have recently been making some window frames from Iroko, have been working with it for around two months no problem, suddenly I have developed rashes, swelling etc. on my face and ears, stopped working with it, cleared up, but now even the slightest contact, eg: have been cleaning workshop and look like the elephant man again!! I have never had a reaction from any wood in the past and I have worked with most of them!! But Iroko, well this is a first.
ANY ONE KNOW ANYTHING!!!!

Hi Pete, sorry to hear that it has flared up again, just leave it be, i'll phone you tomorrow and we'll sort something out about me finishing the windows for you.

Believe me everyone, Pete really did look somebody else after his first reaction, one of his ears looked like a prawn cracker and his face was all puffed up as though he had just been 10 rounds with Mike Tyson.
 
Just like you Pete, I had exatly the same sort of problems, worked with it for years with no problem, then had an intensive run of work with it, and after a few months, all of a sudden, Wham! same symptoms as you.
Like Chas says, other hardwoods tend to make me a bit twitchy, but not (yet) the same problems I get with iroko.
I never use the stuff now, even walking into a room that someone has been working with it gets the symptoms flaring up.
I've tried barrier creams, respiritory face masks (proper screw in filter ones) and I still get problems. Just the dust on my skin sparks it off, so it's a no no for me!

Andy
 
I have a friend who can't enter a workshop where it is being used.

Do consult doctor, and I'm afraid you will have to stop using it.

I now get the same sorts of reaction from Cocobolo dust.

Andy,
a good topic for magazine article? and perhaps also one for a permanent health warning on this forum?

David C
 
Interesting read above. I finished up in A& E earlier this year, one of my eyes lid areas blew up like a balloon, and it was put down to visiting a bowling green (never done before)
And I've got some iroko..
 
I had a similar reaction with yellow balau, I had done some decking with it and wanted to make a adirondack chair with the leftovers and just had to give up, the routing dust sent me home sick!
 
I've used it in the past and only use it very occasionally now, but have to agree it's nasty, evil stuff. I've never had the same sort of reactions as Chas and the others, but I'm very wary of it. That said, it is a very good timber for all sorts of outside uses as it's highly durable.
David - your reference to Cocobolo has to count as an inverse gloat I'm afeard :D - Rob
 
Well, finally a subject I can give some advice on! :)

Some background info first. The body has two main mechanisms of self-protection: the skin, acting as a physical barrier, and the immune system that comes to the rescue once an "intruder" has managed to get past this barrier (through a cut, mucous membranes or the respiratory system). The immune system does not really differentiate between different types of "intruders", be it viruses, bacteria or non-organic substances, and as a result responds in pretty much the same fashion to all of them. First it releases chemicals (hormones and other factors) at the site of the breach, then it calls in the cavalry (white cells and other intruder-murdering squads), then finally it _may_ give the signal to put the rest of the body on high alert to make it more difficult for further intruders to get through via other routes.

The immune system has very good memory. Pretty much every single substance it comes into contact with since birth gets classified and remembered as good, bad and... really bad. :lol: The really bad guys are considered to be potentially lethal and as a result the the immune system puts the whole body immediately on high alert every time it encounters them as to get rid of them as quickly as possible. It usually takes multiple exposures and a rather "trigger-happy" immune system (i.e. a degree of genetic predisposition) to develop this sort of hypersensitivity to a substance. But once it's established then the response can be overwhelming as these quick response mechanisms are rather non-specific and often completely out of proportion to the actual damage that the substance (antigen in the medical lingo) can do.

To go back to your particular case. You've been working with this wood (that I admit being unfamiliar with but which is obviously chemically capable to trigger an immune response) for a prolonged period of time. Your immune system responded mildly to it initially (you didn't notice any difference) but gradually got to classify it as potentially dangerous. After this has happened further exposure triggered a full-blown "code-red" response which you recognised as rash and swelling. Though this can be dramatic enough it's not the end of the story.

If you continue to come into contact with this known antigen, especially without taking a few weeks' break (which can sometimes help the immune system partially "forget" about it) this response will get quicker and more pronounced every time it occurs. From being just the skin that swells up your airway can start swelling up as well causing breathlessness and wheezing. In dramatic situations the swelling can be so bad that your airway gets completely obstructed... and you're dead! :-({|= I've seen it happen a few times in my career and it's not funny.

My advice would be to stop using this wood immediately, get someone (not you!) to blow-clean your workshop (wearing a respirator!), air it for a few days and take a holiday from woodworking for a week or two! I am not aware of any protective measures (besides a space-suit :wink:) that can effectively prevent contact with the wood-dust as even a minute amount can trigger a reaction if you're so inclined.

Also bear in mind that as someone already mentioned, becoming sensitised to one type of wood can potentially make you intolerant to other types as well (due to chemical similarity). So just switching to something else without taking a break can contribute to making you intolerant to that wood type as well (cross-sensitisation). If you are a professional woodworker this can be catastrophic for your career so beware.

Finally, let your doctor know. They may have more specific information available and knowing you medical history they can give you valid advice or even refer you to a specialist if required.

George
 
Thank you George for the technical background, although I personally have had a close enough encounter with this problem to have 'filled myself in' so to speak with the causation and results you outline so clearly above, I myself refrain from quoting details as I am not in any way medically trained.

Your professional input is much appreciated and hopefully will do much to alert the "I have no problems with it" brigade to take precautions.
 
Yes another sufferer here :(
Mainly with most red woods,but Iroko is the worst for me.
I can feel it burning my skin,and have breathing difficulties.
Used to be alright when i was younger but it seems to have developed as i've got older.I also have a similar condition with MDF.So i steer clear.
Paul.J.
 
Thanks George, I'm intrigued by your comment about similar chemical compositions of wood's triggering the immune system.
I'm aware of any number of definitions both on the web and in print as to the general hazardous nature of different woods. But nowhere have I seen anything that talked about their relative similarity ( in terms of, if you're sensitive to x you may also be sensitive to y and z but a,b and c are chemically different so they're unlikely to trigger the same response). Has anyone come across anything like this?

Thanks,

Pat.
 
It would indeed be interesting to find information on what woods have similar compositions as one could then avoid whole "families" of woods rather than go through a trial-and-error process. I think however that such a thing would be practically difficult to generate as there are a lot of chemicals in a piece of timber and you can't always know which one you are reacting to.

In pharmacology such info does exist about man-made drugs but this is easier to produce as we are talking about only a few well-defined substances in each medicine.

George
 
Most frustrating isn't it Pat, all the references I can find into research on the subject, and there are LOTS, only seem to conclude that the likelihood of adverse reactions is low, for instance in finished Iroko or Ramin products, but high say in Rubber trees. Non of them commit themselves to say that a particular species is safe in all circumstances.

Not having an in depth knowledge of chemistry, I can only assume it is down to subtle deferences in atomic structure of same family chemicals.

I had workers that developed violent reaction to Hydraulic Oils but were fine with any other mineral or vegetable oil in the shop, but no one could or would give a definitive answer on a HSE level of what the chemical constituent was that needed avoidance.
 
OK it was a typo, thats one thing my pc repairer didnt fix. My keyboard is oversensitive and also undersensitive as well. :roll:
 

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