How would you rate the UK's handling of this pandemic?

[Lons]

And of course Brown having already flogged off the gold reserves and misappropriated pension funds left the coffers completely bare, something the departing party boasted about (allegedly).
Brown was hopeless but at least a bit more honest

 

[D_W]

So we isolate them, why should the rest of the planet pay the price?

Let's get real people, this is a dry run for a more virulent pandemic that WILL happen sometime down the line - we've been overdue for decades and with international travel being what it is and humanity spreading as we are, and worldwide pollution being what it is - it's a goddamn certainty.

Yes you could have "locked down" or otherwise better managed even a gigantic economy like the USA, because the USA is still just a bunch of SMALLER economies, just like everyplace else.

As I said covid lasts only DAYS without a host and is currently EASILY killed on surfaces etc - the absolute ideal scenarios would have been to lock everything down for a month, and I mean everything, enforced with martial law and internment camps - yes I'm being wholly serious - if covid had been ebola, that's exactly what would have happened and I defy you to say different; once you accept that drastic situations require drastic action, it's a simple direct correlation.

If time could be turned back and humanity offered the above scenario for a month or two worldwide, compared to the now perpetual threat of covid and the economic cost (so far) that is going to generations to balance - what do you think the answer would be?

Humanity COULD have been entirely covid free by now - instead we've now folded this new virus into the yearly death count alongside the flu, and we have absolutely NO WAY of knowing how it will evolve and mutate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - history will judge us all - we COULD have got a handle on this, but we instead allowed the bleeding hearts "show me the money / it's against my constitional rights / I have the right to my freedom / blah / blah / blah" people to condemn us all.

Does this kind of absolute certainty only happen with COVID or does it occur everywhere?

 

[D_W]

One clumsy mistake ?, then sent her son to a private school (new party policy or just for the privileged few?).

http://socialistreview.org.uk/280/education-dear-diane-abbott
Ms Abbott made Jonathan Aitken, the former Conservative cabinet minister who served a prison sentence for perjury, her son's godfather.

As to her sons behaviour involving assault of police and NHS workers, having crystal meth delivered to his mothers home, while she was shadow home secretary, and subsequent sectioning. Google is your friend.

The perfect politician.

Thanks for the background - the summary information and then "corbyn requested she step down" (while she blamed the issue on another nebulous faction) didn't make that much sense. Some politicians aren't that loyal, but someone missing a figure due to blood sugar issues generally doesn't yield stepdown requests from anyone.

 

[NormanB]

It's not about the spirit of the law, that isn't how the law works.

I never implied that it was - did I? I said it was about people’s behaviour.

 

[NormanB]

I read yesterday that the UK now has the highest infection rate, per capita, of anywhere in the world.

Another trail blazing record there.

Do you see the correlation of your consecutive posts? Ironic?

 

[Chippyjoe]

"How would you rate the UK's handling of this pandemic ? "

Pretty damn good considering what's happened.

 

[julianf]

Do you see the correlation of your consecutive posts? Ironic?

Eh? Most of my posts on this topic have been on the subject of how i rate the uk's handling of the pandemic.

I know that youre implying something, but, you will have to forgive me, but im not entirely sure what?

 

[julianf]

Or maybe we are just testing more than anywhere else.

I agree - when I'm gaming, and I want to increase my percentage of winning rolls, I just roll more dice.

 

[Misterdog]

Another team looked at human genomic datasets for possible explanations for the strikingly lower rates of COVID-19 mortality in East Asia that has been the geographic origin of several modern coronavirus epidemics. Their results suggest that ancient coronavirus-like epidemics drove adaptations in East Asians between 25,000-5,000 years ago. As they colorfully put it: “An arms race with an ancient corona-like virus may have taken place in ancestral East Asian populations.” The winter surge shows that even in Japan, face masks did not prevent infection and transmission. This too strongly suggests that an exceptionally low death rate despite a high proportion of elderly must be due to genetic factors, health factors (e.g. little obesity) or pre-existing immunity.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinio...n-commentary/west-japan-coronavirus-response/
So genetics is probably the cause of higher mortality in Europe, not government response. Plus our relatively overweight and unhealthy population.

Japan has done little testing, little in the way of lockdown, had shortages of PPE and yet has an astonishingly low death toll (3900) - so far.

Their population is still very critical of government response though.

Worryingly they have found a new strain thought to have come from Brazil.

And the 'UK' strain.

Regarding the two cases of the British strain detected Sunday, the two individuals in their 20s had dined with a 30-something man who tested positive after arriving from the U.K. The man, who initially tested negative upon arrival, was supposed to be in quarantine at home for two weeks. Around 10 people attended the meal.

The man, who initially tested negative upon arrival, - woopee, I'm Covid free so no rules for me ????

 

[thetyreman]

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinio...n-commentary/west-japan-coronavirus-response/
Japan has done little testing, little in the way of lockdown, had shortages of PPE and yet has an astonishingly low death toll (3900) - so far.

yes but japanese are amongst the healthiest people in the world, they are also very sensible, polite, respectful and follow rules, which is probably the real reason, more people doing what they are told means greater control, we could learn a thing or two here from them.

 

[Rorschach]

yes but japanese are amongst the healthiest people in the world, they are also very sensible, polite, respectful and follow rules, which is probably the real reason, more people doing what they are told means greater control, we could learn a thing or two here from them.

Not another one that "it must be our fault because we are all awful".

 

[thetyreman]

Not another one that "it must be our fault because we are all awful".

that's right, people aren't following the rules.

 

[Rorschach]

that's right, people aren't following the rules.

I'll give you a triple eye roll this time!

 

[Misterdog]

yes but japanese are amongst the healthiest people in the world, they are also very sensible, polite, respectful and follow rules, which is probably the real reason, more people doing what they are told means greater control, we could learn a thing or two here from them.

Far more to it than that though.
Their population is double that of ours, they have far greater population density and one of the highest old age demographics in the world.
If previous Coronavirus episodes have conferred some kind of immunity, it remains to be seen how these new strains which are affecting younger people will spread.

Still these small details of science should not prevent the one- upmanship available to some in blaming our government.

 

[thetyreman]

I'll give you a triple eye roll this time!

eyeroll all you want

 

[NormanB]

Or maybe we are just testing more than anywhere else.

I read that.

We have definitely administered more vaccines than anywhere else in Europe.
750,000 more people than in Germany.

My 93 YO mother is booked in on Thursday, my friends father was jabbed on Saturday and his mother is booked in on Thursday, so not fake news then.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/01/03...country-is-fastest-at-rolling-out-the-vaccine


Though if I wished to show an anti Tory bias, I could say, we could have done it faster and saved lives, we could have done it cheaper and saved money.

Opinions may vary.

Don’t focus on the new positive cases which are partly as a result of increased testing as many of those positives may not be a problem.

However a proportion of them will be ‘a problem’ and the metrics to focus on are:
a. Hospital admissions.
b. ICU admissions.
c. Numbers of patients on mechanical ventilation.

These figures are updated daily (Gov.Uk) and represent hard data and the size of THE problem.

THE problem will not be ameliorated by the vaccine for at least a month and there will be a lot of collateral deaths in the meanwhile both from Covid and non Covid patients.

 

[NormanB]

And if you even look at a stick of chewing gum they'll cut yer nuts off

As some used to say Singapore is like Disneyland - with the death penalty.

 

[Rorschach]

eyeroll all you want

I will thank you, it seems to be the only response to people in this country who love nothing more than to denigrate their fellow citizens.

 

[D_W]

yes but japanese are amongst the healthiest people in the world, they are also very sensible, polite, respectful and follow rules, which is probably the real reason, more people doing what they are told means greater control, we could learn a thing or two here from them.

It'd be difficult for anyone in western society to suddenly become like the japanese, chinese or south koreans. Doing something against the flow in japan is grounds for extreme shaming (and perceived shame on the basis of the doer). They have sayings like "the nail that sticks out will be hammered down", but rather than our jokes here in the west ("the beatings will continue until morale improves"), they take that seriously.

 

[Cozzer]

that's right, people aren't following the rules.

Correct.
They apparenty didn't follow the rules...erm, sorry..."guidance" in Lebanon either, particularly when they eased off for Christmas and New Year.
(Ring any bells?)

They've just announced a lockdown commencing 0500 this Thursday.
Curfew.
A total curfew.
Not even supermarkets allowed to open.
For 11 days.
If you haven't food in, tough. It's deliveries only.
Dog walking? Nah....
Need to go and see Auntie Bertha? Forget it, mate.
Toothache? You'll have to live with it, pal...
There are a few exemptions, apparently. Very few.

Perhaps the answer lies here - behave yourselves, cut out bleating about pubs etc. not being allowed to open, and generally stop being complete twits to everybody else.



p.s. No. I didn't use "twits"!