Gluing a bolt to aluminium?

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I have some aluminium angle with a hole in it, that I want to insert a bolt and secure it in place.

I can't use a nut as the other side needs to be free, and I can't thread it as the aluminium is too thin.

I'm thinking rough sand it, and then use epoxy, but would that create a good bond?

The bolt will be exposed to rotational stresses by a wingnut on the either side, so finger pressure.

The bolt will either be stainless steel or the cheap ZINC PLATEDbolts you get on ebay.
 
I've had reason to try this a number of times. It can work, but not well. You can make it work once, with one of the construction adhesives, but if you need to use the wingnut regularly then forget it. Can you weld a thin strip of mild steel hard up under the head of the bolt, then rivet this in place to resist the rotational moment?
 
Can you use a coach bolt so square hole and glue the squares will resist movement
The best glue I've ever used is loctite 330 for any type of disimilar materials expensive but worth evry penny
 
MikeG.":35cr44bk said:
I've had reason to try this a number of times. It can work, but not well. You can make it work once, with one of the construction adhesives, but if you need to use the wingnut regularly then forget it. Can you weld a thin strip of mild steel hard up under the head of the bolt, then rivet this in place to resist the rotational moment?

Hmm, no welding experience or equipment :(

flh801978":35cr44bk said:
Can you use a coach bolt so square hole and glue the squares will resist movement
The best glue I've ever used is loctite 330 for any type of disimilar materials expensive but worth evry penny

I always seem to forget about coach bolts. I'll give it a shot (the material might be too thin)
 
What about making a block for the bolt to recess into?
You could drill out then cut the angular bolt shape into aluminum with a chisel..or file it if its not a blind hole.
This square block would sit into the inside of the angle iron, butting against it so it cannot rotate...
If the block inside the angle iron is prohibitive to the design you could just drill two holes in the plate/block and either bolt
or pein them to the outside of the angle iron.
 
Ttrees":3kn6neu0 said:
What about making a block for the bolt to recess into?
You could drill out then cut the angular bolt shape into aluminum with a chisel..or file it if its not a blind hole.
This square block would sit into the inside of the angle iron, butting against it so it cannot rotate...
If the block inside the angle iron is prohibitive to the design you could just drill two holes in the plate/block and either bolt
or pein them to the outside of the angle iron.

Ah yes - I could just use a t-bolt. Moving the hole closer to the side so it locks off.
 
Yes it can be done for sure. West system and the right fillers will work but not a cheap solution if you have to buy it all from scratch. The key to bonding to Aly or steel is not just to abrade it dry but to do so again when the epoxy has been applied to avoid problems with oxidation. For what you describe could you tap a thread into a short length of brass bar and use countersunk bolts through the aly either side of the main threaded hole?
 
I use them a lot even for holding big toroidal transformer in.
They grip very well but like anything you can damage them, but you can pull them tighter. They are used in motorcycle and cars.

Pete
 
Yup, "rivet nuts" work well, but CAN be over-tightened. Also, your piece of ali angle sounds a bit thin, AND the rivnut tool and the nuts aren't cheap.

For a one-off job I completely disagree with a previous poster who says that epoxy will not be reliable. It will be VERY reliable in my experience provided that you definitely do/use:

1. The original (24 hour) Araldite, or, more expensive, the West epoxy system, and;

2. Not only abrade the area AND the nut before adding the adhesive, but also, MOST important, make sure that all surfaces to be contacted are 100% clean (e.g. acetone) and after that NO fingers on the area, and;

3. Especially if using the 24 hour Araldite make sure that the job cannot possibly move even a little bit throughout the 24 hour cure time - i.e. some sort of "jig", made up before hand (bit's of soft wire, tape, wood, whatever you can make work).

A couple of "good idea" additions to this particular job:

4. A scrap of sheet ali cut to shape to thicken the web you're going to be bolted to. Can be held "temporarily" in place with one or two self-tappers, but will be held firmly by the epoxy once cured, and;

5. The idea of a Tee slot to provide an additional mechanical lock is also good. It depends how much space you've got to work with/how thin the material is.

I've had lots of experience of such work, both in my shop and with "official" repairs to aircraft (where you follow the instructions EXACTLY). From my experience, every time you hear of epoxy joints failing it's because they weren't scrupulously clean before/during application, and/or they moved during cure time.

For the "right job", a good quality epoxy is the best repair you can get and only fails due to poor application such as lack of cleanliness. The only epoxies I've ever used are West, Araldite 24 hour, and Devcon 5 minute. I'm sure there are other good ones but I don't know them.

HTH
 
I don't think it HAS to be acetone. Any good "powerful" de-greaser should do. Never tried IPA but it should work I guess. The only goal is complete, scrupulous cleanliness.
 
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