Glazing a front door...

[Harrris303]

Hi everyone, I'm afraid this is probably quite a mundane topic for most people, but I've scoured google and there's just so much different info on there that I can't really find a straight answer. So I thought I'd ask the people who know, and who aren't trying to sell me anything haha.
While I was training in joinery I made some fairly complicated windows and doors, but no one ever taught me the finer points of glazing them!

Anyway I'm replacing a front door for someone and they want to reuse the old stained glass, which they're very attached to, so I want to do a proper job. It's beaded on the outside, and some of the top panes are curved so any tips on curved beading would be really useful!
Other than that I guess I'm just after advice on the basics of sealing underneath the beading, holding the glass in pace while allowing for movement of the timber, that kind of thing.
Just a general summary would be brilliant! Thanks very much in advance.

 

[busy builder]

Glazing in doors needs to be toughened or laminated now.

 

[Jacob]

Glazing in doors needs to be toughened or laminated now.

Not if the BCO doesn't know.

Are you sure it's beaded on the outside and not moulded?
Either way do just the same as they did it, which probably entails bedding in putty followed by black leading. If you've got some bent beading I'd save it and re-use it.

 

[Graham Orm]

You can have it fitted inside a sealed unit using toughened or lammy glass...if you wish to comply with regs. You'd also be well advised to source a repair specialist as when it comes out some of the lead may break and almost certainly some of the glass will. Whilst they do the repairs you could get a price for a clean up which will make a spectacular improvement to it.
Taking it out of old hard putty is the scary bit. Your specialist will advise on re fitting it.

 

[Self Taught]

Hello Harrris 303
I was going to give the same advise you got from Grayorm, I feel it's the best way to go. With it properly cleaned, and repairs made, it should give you a very smart looking finished project. best of luck, Jamey

 

[srp]

If you can't save the old curved beading you can either make new beading to the pattern you want from softwood and dunk it in boiling water for about 15 minutes, then bend it into place. You might even be able to buy softwood beading that is ok, depending what the original profile is of course. An alternative which I've heard of but never seen is a lead beading - I would guess you would have to cast your own lengths in a mould you make yourself (timber would do for one or two pieces, or plaster of paris (make sure it's bone dry before you pour molten lead into it though). Apparently used to be used on old boats, to cover and seal the gap where the mast went through the deck, fitted in place with white lead putty and a few copper nails.

 

[Graham Orm]

If you can't save the old curved beading you can either make new beading to the pattern you want from softwood and dunk it in boiling water for about 15 minutes, then bend it into place. You might even be able to buy softwood beading that is ok, depending what the original profile is of course. An alternative which I've heard of but never seen is a lead beading - I would guess you would have to cast your own lengths in a mould you make yourself (timber would do for one or two pieces, or plaster of paris (make sure it's bone dry before you pour molten lead into it though). Apparently used to be used on old boats, to cover and seal the gap where the mast went through the deck, fitted in place with white lead putty and a few copper nails.

A cubic inch of water becomes a cubic foot of steam....instantly when hit by molten lead. I've seen it happen, molten lead flying around isn't ideal, so be megga careful if you go that route.

 

[Harrris303]

Thanks for all the contributions everyone. Had quite a busy weekend so only just had a chance to read them.
I might've been a bit misleading when I said stained glass because I think the glazing was a set that he chose with the door from B&Q. I don't know much about stained glass but I'm thinking it might be more like fake stained glass?
Sounds like I'd better be pretty careful getting it out anyway!
It's definitely beaded on the outside with normal quarter-round beading, so I guess I'll just get the beading off and as someone said just copy how they put it in. Thanks for the tips on curved beading though. Sounds simple enough... (Famous last words?)