Drafting Tape for Veneering?

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A short while back on another forum someone posted his technique for veneering using drafting tape or drafting dots to join the prepared veneers.

I expressed some doubts about the suitability of using drafting dots for this task guessing that they might perform much like masking tape. Masking tape has the nasty habit of adhering too well to the wood and on removal tearing out the grain. It is also quite thick and, on soft veneers, I’ve experienced it leaving a depression in the veneer that’s difficult to remove without cutting through to the ground below.

I decided to give the drafting tape technique a go on a sample board. I used a piece of 12 mm MDF as the ground and used some offcuts of crown cut black cherry <i>(Prunus Seritona)</i> and radially sliced European beech <i>(Fagus sylvatica)</i> veneers for each face.

The rest is a photo essay of the job with comments here and there and a conclusion at the end. I’ve posted much the same on a couple of other forums, and here I simply post it as general information for anyone that might find it useful.

The following four images show the veneers cut with a laser line guided guillotine and the prepared edges taped together, the cherry with drafting dots and the beech using masking tape. I used PVA glue and applied it the ground on both faces to press the veneers in one go.

01Guilotine.jpg


02Guilotine.jpg


03TapedVeneer.jpg


05GluedUp.jpg


The panel is slipped into the veneer press. I used a heated hydraulic press for speed, although I could have used the vacuum bag press. Hide glue and a veneer hammer don’t work well at all with masking tape as the join ‘cramp’ and I doubt that drafting tape would perform any better. Both these methods are slower anyway and I was after speed.

04HydrailicPress.jpg


The veneered panel gets high pressure heat treatment. The panel stays in the press for about 60 seconds: that’s all the time required for applying veneer with platens heated to 60ºC.

06Pressing.jpg


The bottom platen lowers to remove the panel. Normally I slip a sheet of plastic, like a cut up black bin bag, between the platens and the panel to prevent sticking. I didn’t have one handy so slapped a bit of paper towel either side, something I wouldn’t normally do as the paper gets imprinted into the veneer’s grain.

07GluedDown.jpg


The veneer, the ground and the tape is hot when removed from the press, so you’d think tearing off the masking tape, next, or the drafting dot tape in the image after, wouldn’t cause grain tearout. It does in both cases even though I was very careful how I peeled back the tape. I was a little surprised to see the drafting dot removal caused more damage than the masking tape. However, beech is very hard, and the cherry joined with the drafting dots is a lot softer, so perhaps the tearing out of the grain in the cherry isn’t too surprising.

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09DraftTapetear.jpg


Glue bleed through on the beech veneer.

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Some residual adhesive left on the cherry veneer from the drafting dot.

10AdhesiveResidue.jpg


A bit of prep work is needed, so it's off to the 100 grit abrasive paper on the stroke sander followed by some hand sanding to 150 grit. After that a bit of carelessly brushed on shellac just to seal the grain.

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13Shellacing.jpg
In these last four images you can see the general colour and the bit of torn out cherry grain shows rather badly.

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14PolishonCherry.jpg


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<b>Conclusions.</b> I was right to be sceptical of the efficacy of drafting dots used as a means to join veneers prior to gluing. They do tear out the grain on removal just as masking tape does, but I suspect it depends to some extent on the wood species. Neither the masking tape nor the drafting dots imprinted themselves into the wood. The masking tape I suspect was defeated by the hardness of the beech veneer beneath it. The drafting dots are thinner, so perhaps their ability to imprint deeply is compromised.

I shan’t be switching over to using drafting dots to join veneers on a regular basis, particularly for woods that can be ‘stringy’ such as European sycamore <i>(Acer pseudoplatanus)</i> for example or hard maple <i> (Acer sacharum)</i>. I might use it for some of the harder tighter grained woods such as ebony or possibly some of the rosewoods. Slainte.
 
Richard,
Thanks for that - an interesting set of pictures.

I do use Scotch blue masking tape in preference to paper tape as I find it quicker and easier, although in most cases, I pre-glue my veneer before pressing it and am thus able to remove the tape before it has been pressed. Doing it this way I get no tear out including with quite delicate woods.

When I do press taped veneer (I use a vacuum press), I am careful to remove the tape across the grain as I find it substantially reduces the tendency to tear out.
 
I've always used old fashioned gummed brown paper tape without any problem, apart from the inconvenience of wetting the gummed side.

Your photos remind me of why I now make use of commercially produced veneered MDF for nearly all my projects, or get my boards veneered by a specialist like Veneering Solutions in Mossley.

Cheers
Dan
 
I know that the 3M drafting tape is a lower tack than standard masking tape, would be worth trying again without any heat as this can soften the glue on the tape and make it penetrate the wood further.

Jason
 
jasonB":18e5cojh said:
...would be worth trying again without any heat as this can soften the glue on the tape and make it penetrate the wood further. Jason

True Jason. The downside of that of course is additional pressing time. With heat of ~60ºC the panels are in and out of the press in less than three minutes, whether using PVA or urea formaldehyde type glues. It's quite possible to do ten pressings per hour if you're organised into a bit of a team. Even solo I've been known to do five or six pressings per hour.

Without heat the PVA requires about 20- 30 minutes per pressing at room temperature, ~20ºC. Some urea formaldehyde glue types, eg, powder added to water, need 3 - 4 hours at the same temperature. This is a distinct disadvantage on large jobs. Slainte.
 
I tend to use a combination of a cheap low tack masking tape and proper veneer tape in the AirPress. I find that the low tack stuff comes off with no tear out and I use the stretch properties of the tape to pull the veneer joint together. I agree though that when a decent quality masking tape is used the 'stick' to the veneer after the pressing is quite something and I've had lots of tear out in the past, so that's why I now use a cheap and cheerful tape. I usually remove tape by scubbing with hot water and a green scourer....'cept the first time I did it I used Titebond Original #-o - Rob
 
At college, I haven't had any problems using the veneer tape; the stuff which is gummed on one side and requires licking in order to activate the glue.

It's so easy to remove. Add a bit of water, leave it for a minute. Add a bit more, leave it again. It might peel off now or it may need a little bit more water. But whatever happens, it won't tear the timber. Works great for preventing glue squeeze-out and holding a join together.

You can also scrape any stubborn pieces off.
 
OPJ":9c3o9ad3 said:
At college, I haven't had any problems using the veneer tape; the stuff which is gummed on one side and requires licking in order to activate the glue.

What you say is true OPJ. Bear in mind I did this exercise as an experiment with drafting dots to join the seams; a technique posted by a woodworker in another forum.

I wanted to see if his suggested methodology would work. I had my doubts about it when it was posted. As you can see I was using industrial kit to run the expirement, and I generally use veneer tape where the gum is activated with water for the job.

Consider the following as a method of work for you to experiment with. I've been doing something like this to prepare veneers for gluing down since about 1975 or '77.

Draw the prepared veneer seams together with masking tape, preferably a low tack tape, on the back or glue side, turn the leaves over and then apply the water based veneer tape to the show side. Let this tape dry properly. Turn over again and remove the (low tack) masking tape, glue the ground, and press the veneer.

Applying the water based tape to the show side without preliminary assembly using masking tape on the underside does sometimes lead to problems; the veneer can buckle as the wet veneer tape is applied. The low tack tape on the back side does help stabilise the veneers during application of the water based tape on the show side and its subsequent drying. Slainte.
 
Thank you. I like this idea as I've had trouble trying to hold a join tight together. Will have to try it out some time. :)
 
The water based veneer tape will also shrink slightly as it dries and pull the joint together as well, but as Richard has said, some low tack masking tape on the glue side will also go a long way to ensuring a decent joint. The other thing of course is to make sure that you have a couple of decent edges to join...a veneer shoot is pretty much essentlal here in my view, makes life a lot simpler and simple is always good :wink: - Rob
 
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