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Droogs

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Have been informed by the lady of the manor, that as her dear papa and the rest of the brood (kids etc) are visiting over the festive season and to "avoid having to talk to them too much" :twisted: we are to purchase a new televisual viewing box. So having not had a TV for the last good few years, I watch everything on my pc (30" Monitor) with my headphones on, can you good gentlemen of this parish recommend any. Looking for around 40" in size as anything bigger will just be a waste in space and it'll be used only occasionally. Does this 3D thing work, never has for me at the pictures? is the bendy screen any good?
 
3D isn't worth paying more for - there's not that much content and it's lost momentum.

Curved screens are a way of improving LCD panel yield and a way of trying to convince us to upgrade our tellies yet again (now that 3D is old hat). I don't think the arguments the manufacturers make in favour of curved screens add up.

I'm happy with my 6-year-old plasma for now; if I was buying today and had the funds I'd go OLED; the new LG ones are genuinely the first significant step forward since plasma (LCD being a universal step backwards for image quality).

If OLED is out of budget (think £2500) then I would buy a sensibly priced screen from a manufacturer that makes its own LCD panels, so Sony, LG or Samsung. Don't be swayed by 3D or 4k/UHD - if there's no extra cost then fine, but don't pay more for them. Plenty of choice at JL for under £400 for full HD, a bit over £500 for the 4K/UHD panels.

Have a look in a John Lewis or similar at the picture quality, and have a play with the menu system - if you can't work the remote you'll hate it.

Also given how slim the screens are and consequently how small the speakers are, consider a soundbar or soundbase if you want a bit of depth to the sound.

Just for reference I've been in the professional AV industry for 15 years. Doesn't mean I'm right about everything, of course. ;)
 
Thanks sporky for the info, gives me a bit to think about. We were thinking Samsung as SWMBO likes her phone and laptop (both Samasung). I have a reasonable Logithech 5.1 system for my pc (fitted in livingroom) for when gaming and if herladyship is out. is it fairly easy to hook this up to one of the new tv types?
 
Good advice from Sporky.

I'd add a few things:

1. John Lewis have a decent guarantee, usually two years.

2. TVs connect to t'internet these days. As-is they are a pretty serious security risk. Get a brand you can trust regarding security updates, and, if you can, partition your LAN to separate the TV from the rest of your computer kit. This means logically, not physically.

3. Get a model that lets you put a password on the settings. I have a Panasonic. Whilst it's good in many ways, both the lack of security updates and the lack of a settings password (or PIN) are BIG deficiencies.

And finally, regarding actually making your choice, ask the assistant to put your favourite ones to exactly the same channel. The ones that change camera shots first have the more powerful processors in them. The laggards have slower CPUs and are more likely to go out of sync (sound/picture) with 'difficult' source material.

Also there are two other easy CPU tests:

1. Get them tuned to a low-quality Freeview source (one of the low-quality movie channels, such as 'Movie Mix' or the Travel Channel). Use a channel with a lot of action on-screen, which was originally filmed/recorded in fairly high quality (no Police dash-cam stuff). Look for the best picture on that material rather than HD off Blu-Ray (any screen can do that fairly satisfactorily). That is testing the decoder - making the best of a bad job.

2. View a Freeview HD channel off-air, ideally an action sport of some sort (Formula One is ideal), The BBC is the best bet for this, for technical reasons. One will probably be significantly better at coping with the action than another.

If that doesn't annoy the assistant in the pre-Christmas rush, you're probably not being demanding enough :)

Have fun. You probably won't notice the good/bad points once you've got it, anyway. We don't with ours...

E.
 
Sporky McGuffin":3de3hmut said:
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Just for reference I've been in the professional AV industry for 15 years. Doesn't mean I'm right about everything, of course. ;)

Maybe not but you still give us bloody good advice =D>

And some good points from ETV as well....I think this thread should be a Sticky!!

Droogs...forget buying any TV that has SMART in its name. KISS is your motto.

Trouble is that in our house, one could do all the technical due-diligence but still fail at the final hurdle when SWMBO says that 'she doesn't like the style of the TV'
 
This is a timely thread. Sporky I have been looking at a new TV, probably 65 inch, and am considering a sony (the one with the speakers in the side panels) which gets great reviews. Also looked at 65" LG OLED in John Lewis, but the sales guy there advised us against OLED as he said they are prone to screen failure and this is not covered by the guarantee. So we are in a quandary. Is this a real risk or not?

The OLED picture is excellent. Runs about £1,000 more than the same sized sony, plus needs a sound system.

Droogs, we currently have a 40" samsung LED TV. Picture is good, Sound is feeble without a sound system. SMART remote is seriously irritating - lots of functionality none of which I want in a TV. The advice about checking out the remote is very wise.
 
AJB Temple":vcsz2czy said:
This is a timely thread. Sporky I have been looking at a new TV, probably 65 inch, and am considering a sony (the one with the speakers in the side panels) which gets great reviews. Also looked at 65" LG OLED in John Lewis, but the sales guy there advised us against OLED as he said they are prone to screen failure and this is not covered by the guarantee. So we are in a quandary. Is this a real risk or not?

I don't know, to be honest. OLED has been around for a while, as a technology (Sony had a gorgeous 11" one at a trade show 8 years ago) but it's still newish as a consumer screen. Prices will probably drop a bit over the next year and we'll see better how the reliability is. I would question the assertion that the guarantee doesn't cover screen failure - I'm confident that the courts would think that wasn't of merchantable quality.

Droogs - regarding the sound system, at a guess it has an optical input? I think optical outputs are fairly common on TVs, but certainly check.
 
I just bought a Sony 55" smart to Bravia I think about 700 sounds ok but will probably get a sound bar in the new year,

Excellent to very pleased!

Adidat
 
We've have a 5 year old Panasonic 50" plasma and I have a 48" Samsung LED in my "den" for the sport etc which my missus hates. Both have been excellent so far and personally I would never buy anywhere but John Lewis as their service is excellent. Guarantee btw is 5 year not 2.

Sound on the Samsung is a bit tinny but I bought a cheap soundbar from Richer Sounds which solves that and both sets are 3D but only because they came with it. Great for watching something like Avatar but I can count on one hand the number of times the 3D facility has been used.

The manufacturers seem to "upgrade" their models every 6 months so if you buy the outgoing one you'll get it at half the original price.

Bob
 
My Samsung connects to my Yamaha sound processor using the optical cable IIRC or maybe HDMI, best figure out what's preferred for your system then see if the candidate TV will work with it. My PVR connects to the Yamaha with HDMI. The TV does have a two way HDMI connection to feed the audio back to another device
 
You'll struggle to find plasma thee days so stick with LED.

Ignore 3D as its pretty much dead

I'd personally ignore curved tv's as I believe it to be a gimmick to get you to upgrade.

4K will probably get there but no content is really broadcast in 4K and what there is requires a fast internet connection and is compressed so much that you can really see it.

Personal I like the smart tv function. Only this morning I spend a good couple of hours using YouTube on my tv. Well actually I used it on my phone and to combined. I search on my phone and then when I click play it plays on my tv as the two are linked.

That's on a Panasonic TV - and I love it. I'd buy another one instantly.

Lag and Samsung are also both good, but I love my Panasonic.

Also John Lewis do 5 year guarantees on all of their TV's. If you can wait till after Christmas they will have special buys in. This is where they buy 5000 of a specific to model and get a great price, these then get added to their Boxing Day / January sales.




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DiscoStu":1suyb9x1 said:
Also John Lewis do 5 year guarantees on all of their TV's. If you can wait till after Christmas they will have special buys in. This is where they buy 5000 of a specific to model and get a great price, these then get added to their Boxing Day / January sales.

Good point about the special buys - that's how we got ours (Panasonic), not only at a good price itself, but with a good quality stand as part of the package (strong stainless steel, neat and tidy). Otherwise, the stand as an "extra" would have been 30-40 quid.

I'd also forgotten the guarantee period was so long. Good deal all round.

E.
 
Not sure if 4k was on your radar or not but I read an article recently that basically said it's a waste of time for most people. The reason being, at average television viewing distance, the human eye is not able to perceive the difference between 4k and 1080p. Thats apparently why most 4k tele's in shops are at floor level so you're 2ft away from them, because then the difference is very apparent. I suppose it depends on size of TV relative to the size of the room though.

Made sense to me.
 
There are also potential uncertainty issues with 4K. Apologies for the geek-out below.

I'm reasonably confident that more content will become available, but what's not so certain is whether HDCP 2.2 will be required by some/most/all 4K/UHD playback devices - if it is then many of the 4K/UHD sets currently on sale will not be able to show this content.

There's a second issue which is that HDMI 2.0 doesn't support enough bandwidth for full-fat 4K/UHD - that is, it can't do 60 frames per second with deep colour (which will become worthwhile with OLED screens, irrelevant with plasma and current LCD panels (including the LED backlit ones)) without chucking away a lot of the colour content (via colour subsampling, which you may have seen referred to as 4:4:4 or 4:2:2 or 4:2:0). What that boils down to is that until HDMI 2.0 is superseded, you'll be restricted to either 30 frames per second, or to 60 frames per second but with colour information for only one pixel in four. This may not be noticeable with moving video, but is visible with static and slow moving content, particularly with lots of vertical and horizontal lines. If anyone's interested I have some example images somewhere that demonstrate this.

I do think 4K and UHD have their places - particularly in gaming and professional applications (CAD, simulation, medical, photo and video work), but I am not yet convinced that TV will benefit much.

YorkshireMartin is bang on that a lot of people won't see a difference with their living room setup unless they get much bigger screens, which will then result in the over-compressed SD stuff looking even more awful. Assuming 20:20 (or 6:6 in more modern terms) vision, to see the extra content between full HD (1920x1080) and 4K/UHD (3840x2160) you need a screen that's taller than a third of the distance from which you're viewing it. In slightly simpler terms that means if you're sitting 6m away the screen needs to be more than two metres tall, which is about a 156" diagonal. For a 3m viewing distance you therefore need at least a 78" diagonal before you can see any improvement over full HD. Most people have somewhere between 6:4 and 6:5 vision which means a smaller screen will suffice.

Feel free to check my calculations there. ;)
 
I bought a 50" 4K Panasonic a while back which I'm well pleased with. I've had Sony in the past but they were having problems with the operating system when I bought mine. The curved screens look lovely but I was warned not to get one if you have any reflections as the curve makes it worse. I got a free 6 year warranty from the seller - Richer Sounds but Panasonic also give a 5 year warranty on it as well. The Panasonic sound base I got with it also provides a neat one box sound solution. There's not much 4K content about at the moment but the demo videos on YouTube look stunning.
 
Forgot to add. Most SD progs looked rubbish on my old 37" Sony compared to HD progs and still look rubbish on the 50" Panny so don't take any notice of so called "upscaling". :lol: A salesman in John Lewis pointed this out to me before I bought mine so I was under no illusion of what to expect.
 
Well thanks you for all the advice chaps, especially Sporky, after a fair bit of looking at lots of different TVs in both JL and RS, my good lady chose a 40" Samsung (UE40JU6400K). She chose this over the 43" 5500 as that was a little too big and with the price matching thing was actually a little cheaper strangely. Do have to say was impressed with the picture quality from both the freeview type thing and DVD and web content. So overall pretty happy. Just have to get it all connected up on a table until after christmas and then up on the wall when I'm alowed to play with tools in Jan

Once again all many thanks all views were appreciated

droogs
 
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