stanley bailey

[sunnybob]

I've just acquired two stanley bailey planes.
a 5 1/2 and a 4 1/2.
Being completely ignorant of plane models, whats the difference between a bailey and a not bailey?

 

[JohnPW]

I think bedrock is the other type of all-metal bench plane design, the difference being the shape and mounting of the frog.


AFAIK non-Stanley Bailey type planes (eg Record) don't have the word "Bailey" on them. Maybe more recently made Stanley Bailey type planes don't have "bailey" on them either.

 

[memzey]

Leonard Bailey held the patents for that style of metal bodied plane before Stanley bought him out (mid 1860's I think). As such all those planes are deemed to have the "Bailey pattern". The Bedrocks are a Stanley innovation which came along a bit later. IIRC Stanley only started putting Bailey on their planes once the patent ran out.

 

[sunnybob]

ah ha. Thats the answer then.
thank you.
Theres a record no 4 in my haul, but its missing the blade, the handle has been broken and very badly repaired, and the front of the plane has snapped off and been brazed back together. i think this one is for the bin

 

[Phil Pascoe]

Don't bin anything- there is always demand (here ) for all the parts as none of the threads are standard.

 

[sunnybob]

Phil, I can strip all the parts off if they are useful to people, but what about the body? surely no one would want that? it was snapped off at the front right across the throat. Its been brazed back on, the brazing is messy but I suspect the plane will work, but surely no value?

 

[AndyT]

It's a big lump of iron - ideal as a sacrificial anode in electrolysis.

Indeed, if your haul includes a battery charger, a bucket and some rusty bits, you could use it right away!

 

[NickN]

but what about the body? surely no one would want that? it was snapped off at the front right across the throat. Its been brazed back on, the brazing is messy but I suspect the plane will work, but surely no value?

Judging by what I've seen, you could list it on Fleabay as 'needs a good oiling and minor TLC and will work great' and probably still get something for it... :lol:

 

[sunnybob]

It's a big lump of iron - ideal as a sacrificial anode in electrolysis.

Indeed, if your haul includes a battery charger, a bucket and some rusty bits, you could use it right away!

Andy, I have never bothered to restore old tools before, but the two stanleys and the bosch router plunge base are in need of work to make then usable.
Now I'm going to have to troll through all those "wip" threads to see how its done.

 

[Vann]

...Theres a record no 4 in my haul, but its missing the blade, the handle has been broken and very badly repaired, and the front of the plane has snapped off and been brazed back together. i think this one is for the bin

Possibly.

A repaired plane can be a POS, or a perfectly useable tool, depending on the quality of the repair. Being mostly a bottom feeder (especially when hobby funds were tighter) I bought several cheap repaired planes.

These are the planes I reach for most often...

The 05 jack has a repair, probably in the same place as yours. It works just fine.
The 04ss smoother has the far side broken off (not repaired). It's the best of several No.4 sized planes I've used.
The Clifton No.3 was bought brand new and has no cosmetic faults.

A plane only has to look good if you're a collector. If you want to plane wood, any plane that functions well, is a good plane. Try it before you part it out.

My tuppence worth.

And back to your original question: the 05 and 04 above are both "Bailey" style planes, but not made by the company (Stanley) who own(ed) the Bailey name. They're Bailey style because they are copies of Stanley's "Bailey" planes.

Cheers, Vann.

 

[sunnybob]

The really strange thing about these planes is that since I started this woodworking hobby after my retirement just over 2 years ago. i have managed to not need a plane, and because of arthritic hands, dont even want to use them.
Without any attempt to collect them, I now have 9!

 

[NazNomad]

Interesting thread, my extensive collection of both planes are Stanley Bailey and I never took much notice of the name.

 

[swb58]

I recently pulled the remains of a Stanley no.5 out of a skip, the contents of which had been set on fire. It has Bailey across the front but strikes me as being modern, don't know the handles were wood or plastic, they're gone. The securing nuts are 3 parts melted, they look to be some kind of alloy, not like the brass adjusting wheel which survived the heat.

 

[Vann]

...The securing nuts are 3 parts melted, they look to be some kind of alloy, not like the brass adjusting wheel which survived the heat.

Somewhere about the early 1970s, Stanley UK switched from brass nuts to aluminium nuts for the handles, then a few years later they switched back to brass. About the same time they switched from a brass adjusting wheel to a plated steel wheel, and again back to brass.

Your 'skip' No.5 must be from one end or t'other of that period.

I think even today's Stanley bench planes, from India or China (or wherever), still have "Bailey" cast into the body.

Cheers, Vann.

 

[sunnybob]

I've discovered that my bailey 5 1/2 is missing the brass screw that holds the handle on.
Anybody know where I can get one?

 

[Blockplane]

I've discovered that my bailey 5 1/2 is missing the brass screw that holds the handle on.
Anybody know where I can get one?

They turn up regularly on ebay.

 

[Racers]

I've discovered that my bailey 5 1/2 is missing the brass screw that holds the handle on.
Anybody know where I can get one?

Handle?

Tote (the one at the back)

Knob (the tumescent bit you grab at the front)

If you mean the tote the long threaded stud and nut or the short screw.

Pete

 

[sunnybob]

Is there a secret handshake to go with the language for when I meet other planers? (lol).

So I believe I now need a short threaded screw for the tote?
By the way, the 5 1/2 has alloy wheel and screw, the 4 1/5 has all brass.

 

[Bod]

http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan1.htm
The last paragraph of #3 Smooth Plane, explains the Bailey reason.

Bod

 

[RogerP]

I've discovered that my bailey 5 1/2 is missing the brass screw that holds the handle on.
Anybody know where I can get one?

Handle?

Tote (the one at the back)

Knob (the tumescent bit you grab at the front)

If you mean the tote the long threaded stud and nut or the short screw.

Pete

I don't know where the use of "Tote" came from.
There's no mention in Stanley or Record catalogues of the word - it's always called a handle.