Right and/or left? Dado planes

[tobytools]

If anyone can assist I would be very grateful, I've searched the net but but i could only find this like to what I wanted I know,

I'm a bit of a collector as some know and dado (woodies) planes fall in behind infills for me, I have a few and one stands out amongst them all, it's the other way around so I assume left handed? Where these special order or where they an addition to a set, L&R handed?
I also has boxing, I've never seen a dodo with that before.
The plane is by yarvil if that makes any difference I dont know,
Any info would be great.

This is all I could find
http://logancabinetshoppe.com/blog/2013 ... ane-38-45/

Thanks chaps
TT

 

[Cheshirechappie]

Is the maker Varvill rather than Yarvil? There seems to have been several Varvills making planes in York from the 1790s until the early 1900s.

 

[bugbear]

I understand what left handed means in planes with fences (e.g. a plough plane, moving fillister) etc.

What does left handed mean in a dado plane - the "left handed" plane you illustrated looks perfectly usable by a right hander.

BugBear

 

[AndyT]

Well that's an interesting question... is it the same as I asked here?

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/right-handed-left-handed-plane-t51041.html

Since that puzzled post I have read somewhere an explanation of why these differently handed planes were needed. I think it was to do with making shutters and was in an old TATHS journal. I'll see if I can hunt it down.

 

[tobytools]

Ill try and explain again, bear with me,
I don't dout the plane in the link could be used with either hand, most dado planes I have the iron and kindler to one side of the "the right"
But this one I have is the opposite way arround with it being positioned on the left?
I guess all that it would change is what side of the batern you run it from as a guide.
I was just wondering why the geometry of the plane was swapped over?
I'll have to post pics tomorrow as I'm just going to collage, pictures will help.

TT

 

[tobytools]

Is the maker Varvill rather than Yarvil? There seems to have been several Varvills making planes in York from the 1790s until the early 1900s.

Sorry was a little vague I know,
If I remember correctly it's yarvill&son
I'll double check when home.

Thanks
TT

 

[tobytools]

Well that's an interesting question... is it the same as I asked here?

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/right-handed-left-handed-plane-t51041.html

Since that puzzled post I have read somewhere an explanation of why these differently handed planes were needed. I think it was to do with making shutters and was in an old TATHS journal. I'll see if I can hunt it down.

I should start to use the search bar lol,
But yes basically it's the same question.
I have 2 planes like this I only noticed when I had the lind up.
If you could help me understand why that would be great.

Does that plane in that thread have established 1833 on it also?
I think I have it's twin

TT

 

[bugbear]

Well that's an interesting question... is it the same as I asked here?

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/right-handed-left-handed-plane-t51041.html

Since that puzzled post I have read somewhere an explanation of why these differently handed planes were needed. I think it was to do with making shutters and was in an old TATHS journal. I'll see if I can hunt it down.

Wow your (old) post is a much better posed question than mine!

BugBear

 

[jimi43]

I can see why they are "handed" but I'm not sure if they are for right or left handed people.

My old John Green is "right-handed" or "normal" if you like and I can use it and I'm left handed and it feels natural...

I think there must be a more obvious reason but I'm not convinced this has been fully explored yet.

Jimi

 

[tobytools]

Well that's an interesting question... is it the same as I asked here?

https://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/right-handed-left-handed-plane-t51041.html

Since that puzzled post I have read somewhere an explanation of why these differently handed planes were needed. I think it was to do with making shutters and was in an old TATHS journal. I'll see if I can hunt it down.

Wow your (old) post is a much better posed question than mine!

BugBear

Not sure If this is in reference to me,
Still, is valid

TT

 

[bugbear]

Not sure If this is in reference to me,

TT

No - I asked what makes the plane handed, and Andy had already asked that question, long ago. I was referrring to my question and Andy's (similar, but better) question.

BugBear

 

[AndyT]

Toby, could you take some pictures of yours?

I've had a look for the article I read, but have not found it yet. Some other thoughts that might be relevant:

Whelan, in The Wooden Plane, says that handed planes were listed in the 1899 Mathieson catalogue.
My left handed plane is doubly Scottish - it has a clear easy mark of Livingston, who was at 235 Argyle St Glasgow from 1873 to 1878, but the other mark, with a snake eating its tail and some florid lettering is that of Peter Mackay, listed in BPM III at 76 London Road Glasgow from 1868 to 1874. (The mark itself is in Appendix 5 with other pictorial marks.)

So I am willing to believe that there was some particular manufacturing process practised in Scotland in the late C19 th, for which it was necessary to have a left handed dado plane, or a pair of left and right.

 

[jimi43]

It might be that a few left handed dados still exist in the wilds of Scotland but it is generally believed that they have been hunted to extinction in the rest of the UK! :mrgreen:

Coat?

Jim

 

[tobytools]

Toby, could you take some pictures of yours?

I've had a look for the article I read, but have not found it yet. Some other thoughts that might be relevant:

Whelan, in The Wooden Plane, says that handed planes were listed in the 1899 Mathieson catalogue.
My left handed plane is doubly Scottish - it has a clear easy mark of Livingston, who was at 235 Argyle St Glasgow from 1873 to 1878, but the other mark, with a snake eating its tail and some florid lettering is that of Peter Mackay, listed in BPM III at 76 London Road Glasgow from 1868 to 1874. (The mark itself is in Appendix 5 with other pictorial marks.)

So I am willing to believe that there was some particular manufacturing process practised in Scotland in the late C19 th, for which it was necessary to have a left handed dado plane, or a pair of left and right.

Cheers Andy,
So it's a Scottish theme or believed to be, tho more evidence is needed to arrive at a final conclusion,

When I'm back from work later on ill post some pics, or get my partner to not sure what time tho.

I'm going to email hackney tools and see what he thinks. Will post his reply

Andy any news on the 4th addition BPM?

TT

 

[tobytools]

I've emailed Gary at hackney tools and he's and I quote "some did make in left hand versions" some where made to order.
I'm going to email him pics and see what else is a possibility.

I can't upload photos my laptop charger is broke, I could email the to who ever would kindly upload them for me.
Thanks
TT

 

[richarnold]

Just to throw something else into the mix, the earliest form of dado plane was something that has become known as the "proto dado". These planes have the blade mounted centrally with a rebate on both sides, but having said that the blade is skewed in the conventional right handed manner. This example has a lot of wear marks on the right hand side, but there is also evidence of use on the left side as well. Most of the planes of this type that have surfaced are by William Madox, but I have seen one other by Hands.