Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
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Here is a link to a review on my website: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolReviews/VeritasJackRabbetPlane.html
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Derek
Review: The Veritas Jack Rabbet Plane
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Here is a link to a review on my website: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolReviews/VeritasJackRabbetPlane.html
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Derek
Thanks for another well-illustrated and interesting review. You cleverly started out by asking the same question as I would - why do I need one, when I seldom need to plane large rebates and don't do timber framing? - and answered it!
One question - for use as a rebate plane, the iron will need to be honed straight with sharp corners. To use as a smoothing plane the iron will either need a slight camber or else need the corners to be rounded off. (I'm trying to summarise another debate here without getting distracted.)
If you leave the corners square so you can use it for rebates, don't you get tramlines when using it as a smoother?
One question - for use as a rebate plane, the iron will need to be honed straight with sharp corners. To use as a smoothing plane the iron will either need a slight camber or else need the corners to be rounded off. (I'm trying to summarise another debate here without getting distracted.)
If you leave the corners square so you can use it for rebates, don't you get tramlines when using it as a smoother?
Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
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Hi Andy
The solution is to have a few blades: 25 degree straight (40 degree included angle) for shooting board, rebates and cross grain raised panel work; 45 degree cambered (creates half pitch, 60 degrees) for jointing and smoothing; and perhaps a 25 degree cambered for cross grain flattening of panels. Or which ever angles you prefer. This is not much different to the set up for a LA Jack. But one plane and three blades .. and just look what you can do with it!
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Derek
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I'll stick with my trusty old no10. It all very well if you have a big pot of money to have all these new fangled planes. But in the end its the finished project that counts and I can get as good a job done with my vintage planes as could be done with all these new upstarts. After all think of all the FANTASTIC furniture produced in the 17th century and what did they have, very basic, but well made wooden planes. 
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Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
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Hi Dangermouse
I agree that fantastic furniture has been produced over the centuries with very basic tools. No argument on that score.
I do have some doubts that there was much produced in the 17th century with a #10 Stanley, however.
Although the Veritas Jack Rabbet can trace its roots to the #10 ..... actually think of it as the offspring of the #10 and the #62 .... it has as much in common with the #10 as Jacob has with hollow grinding
This is a thoroughly modern plane. In fact it would be science fantasy to a furniture maker in the 17th century. Is it expensive? Just think of the number of planes it can replace ...
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Derek
I agree that fantastic furniture has been produced over the centuries with very basic tools. No argument on that score.
I do have some doubts that there was much produced in the 17th century with a #10 Stanley, however.
Although the Veritas Jack Rabbet can trace its roots to the #10 ..... actually think of it as the offspring of the #10 and the #62 .... it has as much in common with the #10 as Jacob has with hollow grinding
This is a thoroughly modern plane. In fact it would be science fantasy to a furniture maker in the 17th century. Is it expensive? Just think of the number of planes it can replace ...
Regards from Perth
Derek
Derek, I think you might be making some of us a bit nervous with this word 'replace' - it suggests that we have planes which we don't need and could benefit by getting rid of!
But I agree with your point that for someone starting out who would rather have one top quality versatile tool than four or five mediocre specialised ones, it looks a good bet.
But I agree with your point that for someone starting out who would rather have one top quality versatile tool than four or five mediocre specialised ones, it looks a good bet.
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Ok, two questions - when is it available in the UK? And secondly, how do I avoid shiny-new-tool-itis?
A third, more sensible, question also occurs - how does this compare to the relatively recent offering from Lie Nielsen? Ok, so there is an adjustable fence which I dont think is present with the LN, but in other respects is it not quite similar in scope?
Cheers,
Adam
A third, more sensible, question also occurs - how does this compare to the relatively recent offering from Lie Nielsen? Ok, so there is an adjustable fence which I dont think is present with the LN, but in other respects is it not quite similar in scope?
Cheers,
Adam
Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
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Hi Adam
The LN is a different beast. I have only handled it at LN Shows, and not attempted to compare it with the LV. Firstly, the LN is a smaller plane, about 12" in length. It does not have the provision for a fence, is slightly narrower, and has a fixed handle. The addition of a fence on the Veritas is a big plus as it makes it possible to plane rebates and raised panels.
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Derek
The LN is a different beast. I have only handled it at LN Shows, and not attempted to compare it with the LV. Firstly, the LN is a smaller plane, about 12" in length. It does not have the provision for a fence, is slightly narrower, and has a fixed handle. The addition of a fence on the Veritas is a big plus as it makes it possible to plane rebates and raised panels.
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Hi Derek, sorry to highjack this thread for a mo, but, when will you be making a review of the PMV chisels - I've read the 01 review and have been awaiting your opinion on the new metal. Thanks.
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Hi Derek,
Thanks for that - backs up my assumptions nicely. I think the fence is what makes it much more attractive to me also, as I don't much fancy spending time making my own panel-raiser.
Cheers,
Adam
Thanks for that - backs up my assumptions nicely. I think the fence is what makes it much more attractive to me also, as I don't much fancy spending time making my own panel-raiser.
Cheers,
Adam
Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
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iNewbie":vrkpgemv said:
Quick Review:
I think that there are enough reviews on the PM-V11 chisels to inform, so ...
In the hand they are no different to the O1 versions. See my review in this regard. http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ToolReview ... eview.html
The ferrule/socket is better finished, and the steel is all that it is reputed to be - not only does it hold an edge longer than A2, the fine grain of the steel manages to get sharper than my O1 versions.
I love the handles, but these are a personal area, and with all chisels you should try before you buy.
Regards from Perth
Derek
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Thanks.
I'm sure the plane is perfectly adequate. That said, I'm curious about which planes you'll actually (not theoretically) unload now that you have this one.
Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
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CStanford":3e2cf2n4 said:
Hi Charles!
So nice to see you here!
Did you actually read the review all the way?
Just n case you missed it, this was the last paragraph in the summing up ..
So, will the Jack Rabbet replace half my plane collection? No, this is unlikely. It could do so, but I prefer having and using dedicated planes. It will excel for raising panels and bread board ends. Alternately, for a furniture maker who does prefer a smaller toolkit using multipurpose planes, then the Jack Rabbet is ideal.
Too nice and useful a plane to discard. It will be reserved mostly for raised panels and for large rebates/breadboard ends.
Regards from Perth
Derek
I did read that. I know quite well you wouldn't replace "half your plane collection." I just wondered if there was any single plane, or two, that you might really, actually let go - perhaps some other rebating plane you already own, etc., etc.
Derek Cohen (Perth Oz)
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Hi Charles
I don't plan to let any planes go. There are planes such as the LV Skew Rabbet that was previously used for raised panels. I'd rather use the Jack Rabbet for these now - the mouth can be closed down for greater precision and a higher cutting angle is available for interlocked grain. The Skew Rabbet was being co-opted for that task, so it just returns to its orignal purpose - to be used for rebates.
Replace the LN #51 shooting plane?
So should I let the LA Jack go - after all it is the competition for the Jack Rabbet? No, I prefer the LA Jack I am more familiar with its feel, and that the sides are enclosed (making it a little safer).
If I was starting out afresh and looking for a minimalist toolkit, then it would be a different matter. There will always be room for improvement in most toolkits, and for many amateurs (such as myself) there is no need to rationalise tool choices. It s possible to enjoy using the tools as much as achieve satisfaction in what you and they team up to create.
Regards from Perth
Derek
I don't plan to let any planes go. There are planes such as the LV Skew Rabbet that was previously used for raised panels. I'd rather use the Jack Rabbet for these now - the mouth can be closed down for greater precision and a higher cutting angle is available for interlocked grain. The Skew Rabbet was being co-opted for that task, so it just returns to its orignal purpose - to be used for rebates.
Replace the LN #51 shooting plane?
So should I let the LA Jack go - after all it is the competition for the Jack Rabbet? No, I prefer the LA Jack I am more familiar with its feel, and that the sides are enclosed (making it a little safer).
If I was starting out afresh and looking for a minimalist toolkit, then it would be a different matter. There will always be room for improvement in most toolkits, and for many amateurs (such as myself) there is no need to rationalise tool choices. It s possible to enjoy using the tools as much as achieve satisfaction in what you and they team up to create.
Regards from Perth
Derek
Thanks.
Thanks very much for this review Derek - I'd like to present myself to the community as a test-case!
I am the new to woodworking (been hobbying in the cellar for the last 6 months) and am intending to buy a plane. I plan to visit Axminster next weekend while Deneb Puchalski from Lie-Nielsen is there, I had decided on a LN Jack (either 5 or 5 1/2)... but now this review has confused the issue!
I do not own ANY planes, and intend to buy a high quality tool that I can use for many years to come (I'm 27 so hopefully will have a long life of woodworking ahead of me!) So the question is - would you buy the LV Jack Rebate as a first plane, or go for something more traditional... as I am uneducated in woodworking, whichever way I go I'll be learning from scratch.
I've made a couple of basic pieces so far, but having read several of Krenov's books I am very keen to try my hand at cabinet making, so that is the objective. Thoughts?
Thanks,
Chris
